Re: [xmca] Vygotsky's "objective" psychology

Oh, yes, just in case, the full-text quote from
Zinchenko V. P.:

В.П.Зин­чен­ко:
Ле­он­ть­ев
не
хо­тел
до­жить
до
вы­хо­да
в свет
тру­дов
Вы­гот­ско­го.
И он не
до­жил.
Он все
сде­лал,
чтоб не
до­жить.
Ни­кто,
кро­ме
Ле­он­ть­е­ва,
не мог
на­пи­сать
всту­пи­тель­ную
ста­тью
к
Со­б­ра­нию
со­чи­не­ний
(та­ко­во
бы­ло
вну­шен­ное
им
об­щее
мне­ние),
а он не
пи­сал
ка­те­го­ри­че­ски.
Лу­рия
умер, не
до­ж­дал­ся.
Уже все
го­то­во,
не­сколь­ко
то­мов в
из­да­тель­ст­ве
го­то­во,
из­да­тель­ст­во
го­да­ми
ждет
ста­тью
от
это­го
за­ня­то­го
че­ло­ве­ка.
В.В.Да­вы­дов
жа­лу­ет­ся.
Я
пред­ло­жил
Да­вы­до­ву:
слу­шай,
у те­бя
есть
бор­зо­пи­сец,
Ле­ша
Рад­зи­хов­ский,
толь­ко
что
за­щи­тил
дис­сер­та­цию
по
Вы­гот­ско­му.
Ска­жи
ему,
пусть
на­пи­шет
всту­пи­тель­ную
ста­тью
к
Со­б­ра­нию
со­чи­не­ний,
возь­ми
эту
ста­тью,
от­не­си
сам
Ле­он­ть­е­ву,
ска­жи,
что ты
ее
на­пи­сал
и от
не­го
тре­бу­ет­ся
толь­ко
под­пи­сать.
Так и
бы­ло
сде­ла­но.
Ле­он­ть­ев
уже не
мог
от­ка­зать.
Не знаю,
най­дут
ли
чер­но­ви­ки,
есть ли
они? Это
един­ст­вен­ный
спо­соб
оп­ро­верг­нуть
ска­зан­ное.
2–3 го­да
то­му
на­зад
ме­ня
при­гла­си­ли
на
20-ле­тие
вы­пус­ка
Рад­зи­хов­ско­го,
я Ле­шу
уви­дел.
Я
го­во­рю:
«Так
бы­ло?» Он:
«Вла­ди­мир
Пет­ро­вич,
все так
и бы­ло».
Это
от­но­ше­ние
Ле­он­ть­е­ва
к
учи­те­лю...

http://www.anleontiev.smysl.ru/vospomin/i-zinch.htm

--- Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com> wrote:

> RE: Vol. 3 of the English-language version is
> actually Vol. 1 of the Russian collection, and
> it
> includes Leont'ev's introduction to the Russian
>
> series (Leont'ev's intro is titled "On
> Vygotsky's
> Creative Development"). --
>
> Virtually nothing can be added to the above
> comments on the Vygotsky's understanding of
> objective psychology as opposed to the
> introspective one, but some anectodal evidence
> that might be of interest mainly to those
> interested in the history of psychology.
>
> According to the member of the American Academy
> of Arts and Sciences V. P. Zinchenko (
> http://www.amacad.org/members/alpha_list.pdf ),
> the introductory article to the six-volume
> collection of Vygotsky's works was written not
> by
> A. N. Leontiev (
>
http://www.anleontiev.smysl.ru/vospomin/i-zinch.htm
> ) but by the well-known nowadays journalist
> (former psychologist) Leonid Radzikhovskii (
> http://www.ej.ru/person/5/ ). Perhaps, he is
> the
> one who will be able to respond to this
> question
> best :))...
>
> For what it is worth...
>
>
> Anton.
>
>
> --- Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>
> > This summer I'm trying to catch up on some
> > long-overdue reading. I've begun
> > with Vol. 3 of the Plenum series, the
> Collected
> > Works of L. S. Vygotsky:
> > Problems with the History and Theory of
> > Psychology.
> >
> > First, Rene van der Veer's Foreword and
> > introductory chapter are well worth
> > reading, particularly in informing our
> periodic
> > discussions of problems with
> > translation from one language to another; and
> > especially of translating
> > Vygotsky, who "never rewrote a text for the
> > sake of improving its style and
> > readability" (van der Veer, p. v).
> >
> > Vol. 3 of the English-language version is
> > actually Vol. 1 of the Russian
> > collection, and it includes Leont'ev's
> > introduction to the Russian series
> > (Leont'ev's intro is titled "On Vygotsky's
> > Creative Development"). I'm
> > puzzled by some of the phrasing, and wonder
> if
> > I'm coming up against a
> > translation issue (which happened when I
> first
> > read of Vygotsky's "genetic"
> > method, which is developmental and not
> > biological, as I'd originally
> > assumed). Leont'ev says that Vygotsky sought
> > "to build a new, objective
> > psychology." I'm having trouble with the term
> > "objective" here. My sense of
> > Vygotsky's project was that it involved what
> we
> > now think of as
> > constructivism, which is typically positioned
> > against objectivism. At the
> > same time, I know that some use the term
> > "object" to refer to the
> > goal-oriented nature of activity. Can anyone
> > help me with my trouble in
> > understanding the use of the term "objective"
> > in this context?
> >
> > One final thing: I'm aware that there's some
> > disagreement over the extent to
> > which Vygotsky's work is Marxist. Leont'ev
> > unambiguously describes
> > Vygotsky's work as inherently Marxist (e.g.,
> > "[Vygotsky's] new psychology
> > which dealt with the most complex phenomena
> of
> > the mental life of man,
> > including consciousness, could only evolve on
> > the basis of Marxism"
> > (Leont'ev, p. 15). I'm not sure why others
> > would think differently--perhaps
> > someone who finds Vygotsky insuffiently
> Marxist
> > could clarify.
> >
> > In any case, I hope that your own summer work
> > is off to a good start.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Peter Smagorinsky
> > The University of Georgia
> > Department of Language and Literacy Education
> > 125 Aderhold Hall
> > Athens, GA 30602-7123
> > smago@uga.edu
> > /fax:706-542-4509/phone:706-542-4507/
> >
>
http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> >
> >
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