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DAvid. "edva li" means scarcely or hardly I believe. mike On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:51 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote: > Just after Natalja posted her link, I read this in Volume Six of the > English Collected Works (p 130) > > "Thus, Dumas is scarcely the first to reduce the problem of the connection > between the James-Lange theory and Cartesian teaching on the > passions..." not to surface resemblances but to a profound inner link. > > That "scarcely the first" is a little flat, I thought. This whole section > is about how psychology has recognized surface resemblances, but has not yet > really taken the profound link far enough. It's not like Vygotsky to play > out of tune like this. > > So then Natalja puts up the link and I can check. Here's what Vygotsky > REALLY wrote (I think): "Таким образом, Дюма едва ли не впервые сводит > вопрос о связи между теорией Джемса - Ланге и картезианским учением о > страстях..." > > So it's really something like: "In this way, Vygotsky is almost the first > to reduce the the problem of the connection...." etc. > > It's an easy mistake to make, and a tough mistake to catch--but if you > don't catch it, you alter the whole meaning of the paragraph and turns a > beautiful argument into something ugly and out of key (and spread it from > English to unsuspecting languages like Korean). > > It's hard to describe the SYMPHONIC effect of Vygotsky's writing when you > really have it right--he comes to the end of an argument (e.g. the > James-Lange theory fits the then new facts on adrenalin and its effects > on vasomotor control, the Cannon-Bard theory fits the newly discovered facts > on sensory traffic in the thalamus...), builds to what looks like an > inevitable climax (e.g. this allows us to show how emotion is embodied in > real time, it helps us to build a theory which has both higher cortical and > lower thalamic emotion)...and then......Well, and then Vygotsky tells you > that it's all wrong again, and he'll explain why in the next section. > > You see, if Vygotsky just ended each section with a crash, like a rock > star, a sour note here or there wouldn't matter. But he is far too subtle > for that...after the crash, he will have a single slender oboe come out and > play on. So every note counts, and the way the whole thing is orchestrated > for English really does matter. > > Copious gratitude to Natalja, and to all the xmca Russophones who share > their invaluable expertise with tin-eared rookies like me. (Maybe a little > envy too....) > > David Kellogg > Seoul National University of Education > > > --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca> wrote: > > > From: Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca> > Subject: Re: [xmca] "The Teaching About Emotions" in Russian? > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 8:42 PM > > > Hi David, > Take a look here, for example: > > http://www.caute.net.ru/spinoza/rus/vygotsky.html > > Cheers, > Natalia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kellogg" <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com> > To: "xmca" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:37:21 PM > Subject: [xmca] "The Teaching About Emotions" in Russian? > > Does anyone know where I can get an e-text or a pdf of Vygotsky's "The > Teaching about the emotions: Historical and psychological studies" in the > original Russian? > > David Kellogg > Seoul National University of Education > > > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca