Re: [xmca] fetishism | word meaning

[Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com>]

Huw:
Do you suppose that there is any, or do you experience any,  
relationship between any particular phone, when heard, and a  
particular feeling-reaction. If we admit that there is no perception  
without being affected by the thing perceived, then phones must  
affect us. So, what is the effect of a given phone? Are we affected  
identically by all phones or differently by different phones? What is  
the mechanism of non-verbal, vocal communication in humans and other  
species? If we are, in fact, affected feeling-wise by our specific  
phones, then how is our subliminal perception of things affected by  
the vocal sounds we use to refer to them?
	I see that the preponderance of spoken language's communicative  
function takes place subconsciously. Do you recognize or look for the  
subconscious effects on us of the sounds we use to form our spoken  
words?
	On a personal note, do you sense any arrogance in your reply to my  
last e-mail? First you identify yourselves as "scientists and  
schlors". Very well. So you are... I already knew that. Therefore,  
what? I am heartened to hear you refer to your group as "A well  
meaning and thoughtful bunch". That is something we all should strive  
for. Were you saying that I was "inflicting you with help"? Were you  
saying that I was not being "precise" enough for the purposes of this  
exchange? Finally, I was not intentionally aksing questions, but  
rather sharing thoughts on a subject with which you seemingly deal. A  
questioner/requester, in the your context, is a supplicant. Are you  
suggesting that I assume that role here?
	As a matter of personal curiouity; what answers were you seeking  
that caused you to pursue these studies?
	I was looking to understand how we are, as a species, affected by  
our spoken language, - our culture.

		J. Gilbert

On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:

> On 9 June 2011 20:22, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear All:
> >
> > I do not intend to offend, however faced with the choice in front  
> > of me of
> > withdrawing from this forum or of sharing my perspective on spoken  
> > language,
> > I choose the later. If one is passionately pursuing understanding,  
> > one,
> > above all else, looks for the causes of whatever one is seeking to
> > understand. I am not interested in participating in pointless chit- 
> > chat as a
> > social activity/exercise. And I am not much interested in what  
> > others who
> > came before have said about my subject of interest, if their  
> > pronouncements
> > do not facilitate my own understanding. I have found the  
> > information I wish
> > to share only by focusing on the fundamental causative forces that  
> > produced
> > spoken language.
>
>        If those I would like to share my findings with would be more
> > concerned with delving into the matter before us, and be willing to
> >  sincerely look for answers, than they are to maintain and defend  
> > their
> > assumed position, I believe a genuine dialog could take place.  
> > Rarifying the
> > discussion by unnecessarily complicating the search for clarity  
> > creates a
> > false aura of expertise around those who are initiated into the  
> > lingo, and
> > seems to enable them to establish and protect their status as gate- 
> > keepers
> > for the ivory-towered dispensers of "truth".
>
> xmca is an extension of a (scientific) journal, mca.  Here be  
> scientists and
> scholars.  A well meaning and thoughtful bunch, mind you.  However,  
> to avoid
> being inflicted with help, some precision is required.  If you want to
> increase the chances of a particular kind of answer, or dialogue,  
> you'll
> need to ask a particular kind of question/request.
>
> Huw
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