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I am finding it interesting and challenging on many grounds, Andy. Many thinkers prominent in recent xmca discussions are brought together there. Not sure I understand it all, but what I do understand makes me want to understand the rest better. Has anyone out there in xmca-land read the whole thing who might like to write a review? On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > I've ordered "Being Alive: Essays on Movement, Knowledge and Description," > Ingold's book, Mike, to read about his use of the idea of Umwelt. Reading > the Prologue in the preview on Amazon, I read: "the essence of production > lies as much or more in the attentional quality of the action - that is, in > its attunement and responsiveness to /the task as it unfolds/ - and in its > developmental effects on the producer, as in any images or representations > of ends to be achieved that may be held up before it." > > This idea, which I take to be the /immanence /of the object of the > activity, is the key revision of the conception of object-oriented Activity, > I think, and what I call a "project." So, I look forward with interest to > reading the whole book. > > Andy > > > > Huw Lloyd wrote: > >> >> >> On 23 August 2011 14:10, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto: >> lchcmike@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> How about umwelt, Andy? >> I warned you the survey was unsophisticated. Just the term >> envelope is a >> problem because it distinguish the envelope from its contents. Very >> difficult to get the "weaving/ co-constituting" impulse into >> environment/context/practice. of course, a woven tapestry is "just >> static," >> relative to human experience, isn't it? >> >> >> Is this in the same sense of "just going to the moon"? >> >> I think that the psychological warmth of the material is also derived from >> the subject's ability to penetrate the medium. i.e. the cultural operations >> the material evokes for him/her in its fabrication (the inverse of >> alienation). >> >> Also with respect to aesthetics, there is the workmanship of risk (David >> Pye) in addition to the synthesis of sense. >> >> Huw >> >> >> mike >> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net >> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote: >> >> > Mike, reading through your excellent review of the different >> concepts of >> > context, along with event, situation, activity, practice, etc., >> is that all >> > of them conceive of the "supra-individual" object of analysis as >> something >> > esssentially static, and despite many declarations to the >> contrary and >> > proofs that individuals can modify their enivironment (by >> whatever name) are >> > that to which human individuals have to conform. "Event" is a little >> > different, at least in the way it is used by some writers, but >> generally all >> > seem to conceive of context as condition. Although supposed to >> be the source >> > of motivation (in some versions), they may rise to the level of >> being the >> > source of reward, but I see nothing which expresses what I >> regard as the >> > inherent striving of human life. I think this is a problem. >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > mike cole wrote: >> > >> >> Attached is an attempt I made several years ago to summarize >> the different >> >> terms and their uses. It is not in the least sophisticated >> about many of >> >> those cited or not, but it covers some perhaps-useful information. >> >> mike >> >> ------------------------------****----------------------------** >> --** >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> ______________________________****____________ >> >> _____ >> >> xmca mailing list >> >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> >> >> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/****listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca> >> <http://dss.ucsd.**edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > ------------------------------****----------------------------**--** >> > ------------ >> > *Andy Blunden* >> > Joint Editor MCA: >> http://www.informaworld.com/****smpp/title~db=all~content=<http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=> >> <http://www.informaworld.com/****smpp/title%7Edb=all%**7Econtent=<http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=> >> > >> > >> **g932564744<http://www.**informaworld.com/smpp/title%** >> 7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> >> > >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**> >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.****aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.****aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> ><ht**tp://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> >> <http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> >> >> >> > >> > ______________________________****____________ >> > _____ >> > xmca mailing list >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> >> > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/****listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca> >> <http://dss.ucsd.**edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> > >> > >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > > *Andy Blunden* > Joint Editor MCA: http://www.informaworld.com/**smpp/title~db=all~content= > **g932564744<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title%7Edb=all%7Econtent=g932564744> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857> > > ______________________________**____________ > > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca