Re: [xmca] ISCAR (review)

[Volker Bunzendahl <volker@volker.dk>]

second thought, - last phenomenological reflection.

As I said before, the two  symposiums about subjective sense, Rey, 
Portes, Kozulin, Hedegaard and Jansen were my personal hightlights, and 
made me read more about their ideas and thoughts, opening, as it seems 
for me, a new door to "perezhivanie", and for me, a road to Lewin, but 
perhaps, to self-psychology, too?

The last days of the conference went on, for me, with re-meeting Elena 
Kravtsova, as key-speaker where she talked about "non-classical 
psychology" as the concept, Vygotsky tried to change our subject into.
As I said to some people in the audience, -perhaps not a speech which 
told us revolutionary new things we didn't know beforehand. On the other 
hand one of the few speeches at this conference, which my students back 
in Denmark would understand, and find useful. At the end she invited to 
the ISCAR summer school, happening summer 2012, see ISCAR homepage about 
that. There it will be possible to learn more about "Golden Key School", 
the schools Elena and her husband Kravtsov, G., are in charge of.

...

My experience about the role of the discussant was triggered the last 
two days.

A wonderful experience was to hear Jan Valsiner as discussant at 
symposium 459, where three young researchers talk about "developmental 
trajectories in the transition to work", where Jan with few words 
established,*that all in the room where able to remember, and even see 
more clear, what the three wanted to present and maybe discus*. - He 
made the three even better, and made us in the room able to have a fine 
dialogue, in the few minutes, there are at a conference like this.

Another experience I had the next day was near the opposite. Three fine 
presentation about XXX, an audience who wants to ask questions, and have 
dialogue with the presenteres. But there the discussant understood his 
task in a quiet different way, - using the time for starting the 
dialogue for talk about his own research, his own doubts about the 
topic. A behavior like this has the effect on me, *that it slowly 
"deletes" the memory *about the three presentations, I just heard, - 
therefore I had to leave the room, while saying angry to this 
discussant, that he actually should shut up. - Not exactly a way to 
behave, but some discussant seem to behave, as if they think they are 
the most important V. I.P. in the room, forgetting to support the other 
presenters and to create dialog.


The last morning, Jean Lave kindly remembering ISCAR to be more open, 
more political, more participating.
And Jan Valsiner, presenting his newest ideas (but I had to leave for my 
flight).

So, yes, wonderful days in Rome,  - there is always something more to 
do, next time, perhaps between key speeches, some short "activities of 
another kind", some more possibilities for dialog and "fireplaces", ... 
and perhaps some time for play?!

Volker




Den 27-09-2011 00:26, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:
> I don't know if I do something wrong (copy right? Let me know!), but 
> now I tried to decribe more phenomenological the two mentioned 
> symposia, here attached the abstracts about them.
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Den 26-09-2011 12:41, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:
> > Dear Bella, than you, it is very helpful.
> >
> > Attached three picture from the symposium.
> >
> > Volker
> >
> > Den 24-09-2011 09:37, Bella Kotik-Friedgut skrev:
> > > Thanks to Volker
> > >   Here is the abstract. I am going to proseed and to prepare the 
> > > text for
> > > publication, but meanwhile Anton asked me to translate it into 
> > > Russian, so I
> > > am working on it.
> > > Bella
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:15 AM, mike cole<lchcmike@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Volker--
> > > >
> > > > Fernando expressed an interest in having his paper in the Portes et al
> > > > volume discussed at XMCA and I have a copy somewhere. I will post when
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > Its odd you mention the AR-CHAT issue of MCA, Volker. I was hoping 
> > > > there
> > > > would be more discussion of the papers since we had access to all 
> > > > of them.
> > > > Are you proposing that we post some more from that symposium or 
> > > > that get
> > > > Bella to send us her talk??
> > > >
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Volker Bunzendahl<volker@volker.dk>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > second thoughts, part 3
> > > > >
> > > > > symposium nr. 103: Testing the limits of CHAT in diverse contexts and
> > > > > global realities.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was - for me - the highlight of the conference, where the topic,
> > > > > subjectivity changed my way of being me, in the moment.
> > > > > The room was filled up, people were sitting on the floor, - and Pedro
> > > > > Portes, Alex Kozulin,  Luis C. Moll and - the most impressive of them
> > > > all, -
> > > > > Fernando Gonzales Rey changed our view of looking at CHAT, at 
> > > > > Vygotskys
> > > > > different working periods (moments) - and at the same time made 
> > > > > theory
> > > > > practical, in questions about immigration and non-dominant 
> > > > > communities,
> > > > > about how there is no subjectivity without objectivity, that is our
> > > > > subjectivity is constructed by social participation in cultures.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will not, here, start a more detailed review of this symposium. 
> > > > > Instead
> > > > I
> > > > > will show you a picture of the event, and I will point to the 
> > > > > book, which
> > > > > expands what this symposium was about.
> > > > >
> > > > > The book is named: P.P. Portes&  S. Salas (ed.)(2011): /Vygotsky 
> > > > > in the
> > > > > 21st century society - advances in cultural historical theory and 
> > > > > praxis
> > > > > with non-dominant communities/, Peter Lang, New York
> > > > >
> > > > > This might be an answer to Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > Were there any discussions of the theory/practice relationship that
> > > > seemed
> > > > > to you helpful?
> > > > >
> > > > > But I think MCA, nr. 2, about action reseach and CHAT maybe 
> > > > > influenced
> > > > me,
> > > > > . while I listened to Bella Kotiks speech.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Volker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Den 14-09-2011 00:20, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
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