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At the very least we can agree that egocentrism is a life long disease! mike On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget. > > I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page 3] when he was > talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a lack of > differentiation of viewponts. He gives the example of the beginning > instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were incomprehensible > because he was *talking to himself*, so to say, mindful only of his own > point of view. The second example Piaget gives is developing the capacity > to place oneself in the shoes of the other [taking the point of view of > one's partner] in order to convince the other *on his own ground*. > > As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its > continuing expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this > ability [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be viewed as > an *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical *ways* of > expression. > This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our current > housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more *self*-contained > and living *solo* [50% of all residences in New York city are occupied by > a single occupant] may be having the unintended consequence that we may > be loosing the *art* form of *social* reasoning. > > I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone requires more > *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into novel discursive > situations. > > Just wondering. > > Larry > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike: >> >> Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive is missing a >> page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not complete in places. >> >> Here's a version we did, alongside the standard translation. The boxes >> are part of a discussion we had in our group when we were doing T&S in >> Korean. >> >> I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was trying to find >> some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP myself. Besides that, the >> only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very favorable) references >> in HDHMF. >> >> What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are indebted to >> Volkelt, of all people, for the distinction between analysis into units and >> analysis into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the idea that >> behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz and Tinbergen? It >> might be from Jennings, but in Jennings it's not exactly behavior itself >> that evolves; only the affordances of an organism's internal organs. >> >> David Kellogg >> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> >> Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962 >> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM >> >> >> Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and Language from >> 1962? >> mike >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca