RE: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD

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Elizabeth, I'd say it's possible, but a long way from being documented. p -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Fein Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:09 PM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD This seems like a great time to introduce myself to the list, where I have been lurking for a while. I actually began looking into CHAT (at Greg's encouragement, after a paper I gave on the subject) as a way of understanding how social/cultural/historical conditions might be contributing to the rise of autism spectrum conditions. Peter, I am looking forward to reading your articles. And I'll put my question out there, as I am very curious to hear the responses of this group: Do you think there is any possibility that contemporary conditions might be contributing to the rise in *actual cases* of autism spectrum disorder (not just their detection). (I'm thinking in particular of factors such as the individualization of society, the need to adhere to social norms that are less explicit/structured and more based on flexibility in order to win and maintain a social place, and the increased role of mimetic media technology as a means of socialization). So,for example, the two observations David made (that people may be losing opportunities to learn the art of social reasoning at the same time that there is a heightened demand for facility with decentered discourses) might be causing more people not only to be DIAGNOSED, but also to DEVELOP in a way that comes off as socially awkward and excessively "rote". Thoughts? Elizabeth Fein, MA Ph.D. Candidate, University of Chicago Department of Comparative Human Development Psychology Fellow, SociAbility (773)860-7275 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:33:36 +0000 >From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu (on behalf of Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>) >Subject: RE: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962 >To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > >Greg, I'm puzzled by your autism observation. The increase in autism spectrum conditions (and by calling it a disorder, you buy into the deficit view of mental health difference) is generally attributed to better diagnostic efforts in light of continued research into mental health generally, including autism. I say this as someone on the spectrum (Asperger's syndrome, which runs in my family). I've had one paper published on this topic and have a couple more in press and a few more in the conceptual stage (awaiting time to write them). I'd be happy to share with others any of the following, if you write me off-list. I was supposed to give one at ISCAR but couldn't make the trip; I'll give another at AERA next weekend. p > > Smagorinsky, P. (2011). Confessions of a mad professor: An autoethnographic consideration of neuroatypicality, extranormativity, and education. Teachers College Record, 113, 1701-1732. > Smagorinsky, P. (in press). Vygotsky, "defectology," and the inclusion of people of difference in the broader cultural stream. Journal of Language and Literacy Education. > Smagorinsky, P. (in press). "Every individual has his own insanity": Applying Vygotsky's work on defectology to the question of mental health as an issue of inclusion. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction > >-----Original Message----- >From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Thompson >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:53 AM >To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >Subject: Re: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962 > >Larry, >and perhaps the incredibly high rates of "Autism Spectrum Disorder" >diagnosis in the U.S. is a sign of the times? >[At the very least, it should be noted that it is a wonderful fit for the particular here and now that we inhabit (by ourselves?)]. >-greg > >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget. >> >> I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page 3] when he >> was talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a lack of >> differentiation of viewponts. He gives the example of the beginning >> instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were >> incomprehensible because he was *talking to himself*, so to say, >> mindful only of his own point of view. The second example Piaget gives >> is developing the capacity to place oneself in the shoes of the other >> [taking the point of view of one's partner] in order to convince the other *on his own ground*. >> >> As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its continuing >> expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this ability >> [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be viewed as an >> *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical *ways* of >> expression. >> This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our current >> housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more >> *self*-contained and living *solo* [50% of all residences in New York >> city are occupied by a single occupant] may be having the unintended >> consequence that we may be loosing the *art* form of *social* reasoning. >> >> I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone requires >> more >> *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into novel >> discursive situations. >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Larry >> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg >> <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike: >> > >> > Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive is missing >> > a page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not complete in places. >> > >> > Here's a version we did, alongside the standard translation. The >> > boxes >> are >> > part of a discussion we had in our group when we were doing T&S in >> Korean. >> > >> > I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was trying to >> > find some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP myself. >> > Besides that, >> the >> > only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very favorable) >> references >> > in HDHMF. >> > >> > What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are indebted to >> Volkelt, >> > of all people, for the distinction between analysis into units and >> analysis >> > into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the idea that >> > behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz and >> > Tinbergen? It might be from Jennings, but in Jennings it's not >> > exactly behavior itself that evolves; only the affordances of an organism's internal organs. >> > >> > David Kellogg >> > Hankuk University of Foreign Studies >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> >> > Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962 >> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> > Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and Language >> > from 1962? >> > mike >> > __________________________________________ >> > _____ >> > xmca mailing list >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > >> > __________________________________________ >> > _____ >> > xmca mailing list >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > >> > >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > > >-- >Gregory A. 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