Re: [xmca] Re: obuchenie

[Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>]

Hi Mark....nothing is attached.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Mark de Boer <mark.yomogi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Bella and Mike for your support.
> otI had mailed Bella off-list since I was unable to access the papers
> through
> the xmca site. It kept asking for a password. Bella has since mailed me
> with the documents attached.
>
> Very interesting papers Bella. They will be a great help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. obuchenie (Mark de Boer)
> >    2. Re: obuchenie (Bella Kotik-Friedgut)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:45:29 +0900
> > From: Mark de Boer <mark.yomogi@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [xmca] obuchenie
> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
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> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been doing a lot of reading on interaction in a tool-mediated
> learning
> > environment and have begun to read specifically on different forms of
> > assessment. In the second language acquisition classroom, I've been
> > examining scaffolding, formative and summative assessment as well as
> > dynamic assessment.
> >
> > These forms of assessment are very much different, but there is
> literature
> > which suggests that scaffolding is similar in many ways to dynamic
> > assessment. I'm not in agreement with this, but I'm attempting to figure
> a
> > way to decipher the differences not theoretically, but in the classroom
> > (there are enough convincing arguments in the literature to help me
> > differentiate between scaffolding and dynamic assessment).
> >
> > Putting that aside for the moment, I've encountered the word obuchenie
> > before through this list and also in some of the literature, and I'm not
> > sure how to define obuchenie with respect with dynamic assessment. I'm
> > convinced that they are one in the same.
> >
> > Looking for some guidance.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:13:45 +0300
> > From: Bella Kotik-Friedgut <bella.kotik@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] obuchenie
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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> >
> > To Mark
> > Here are short clarifications
> > Scaffolding can be defined as a way of promoting learning within ZPD
> using
> > system of means: mediators, language, shared (teacher or other
> > person-student) activity.
> > Dynamic assessment (DA) can be defined as process A- teaching =obuchenie
> > (using scaffolding) -A.
> > Attached are my papers on promoting autonomy for new (foreign or second)
> > language learners and on affective factors in SLL.
> > Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Mark de Boer <mark.yomogi@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've been doing a lot of reading on interaction in a tool-mediated
> > learning
> > > environment and have begun to read specifically on different forms of
> > > assessment. In the second language acquisition classroom, I've been
> > > examining scaffolding, formative and summative assessment as well as
> > > dynamic assessment.
> > >
> > > These forms of assessment are very much different, but there is
> > literature
> > > which suggests that scaffolding is similar in many ways to dynamic
> > > assessment. I'm not in agreement with this, but I'm attempting to
> figure
> > a
> > > way to decipher the differences not theoretically, but in the classroom
> > > (there are enough convincing arguments in the literature to help me
> > > differentiate between scaffolding and dynamic assessment).
> > >
> > > Putting that aside for the moment, I've encountered the word obuchenie
> > > before through this list and also in some of the literature, and I'm
> not
> > > sure how to define obuchenie with respect with dynamic assessment. I'm
> > > convinced that they are one in the same.
> > >
> > > Looking for some guidance.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Mark
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> >
> > --
> > Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
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