Re: [xmca] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Seeing No Progress, Some Schools Drop Laptops

Yep, that is one take for sure.
Yrjo has an article, or part of an article, on how much kids learn from
elaborate cheating -- development as breaking away.

On 5/5/07, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu> wrote:
>
> I have to tell you after reading this article (the first part) in
> Starbucks yesterday the first thought that came to my mind was that they
> didn't take the laptops away because they were not successful, but because
> they were too successful. It's not that the students didn't learn, it's
> that the students didn't learn what the school district wanted them to
> learn. Think about just the couple of things they talked about - a student
> broke the security network - and I would be he didn't do it alone but as
> part of some combined open source project. Then he networked the solutions
> to other students who understood the logic well enough to use it. This is
> incredible stuff - but also scary stuff. The internet is inherently
> antt-authoritarian, it is based on lateral communications and communications
> in and out. These students used their computers as tools to develop their
> problem solving techniques and networking capabilities (which leads to
> political capabilities and such). The whole idea of standardized tests and
> other types of exams being effected by computers is ridiculous - they are
> almost anti-thetical to the trajectory of learning computers and the
> internet will take you in. I think this is a lesson that we cannot overlay
> our own ideas on education on to computers and the internet but we need to
> let them grow organically. Society not longer gets to determine what is
> valuable in the learning process, experts no longer get to determine how you
> do it. This is going to scare the hell out of a lot of people. My fear is
> that academia will try and claim some level of expertise in all this. I
> think the best thing we could do is to try and make sure we and society does
> not smother the baby of this growing revolution in its crib. The
> possibilities are just extraordinary.
>
> Just as a sidelight, there is a political side to this article. The New
> York Times as doyan of the old media is - at least from what I have been
> able to glean - intimidated and afraid of the possible changes brought about
> by the new media - which is dependent on the type of connectivity that the
> students at Liverpool were experiencing. This sort of battle between the
> old media and the new media is a really incredible passion play creating
> large amounts of anger and fear and possibilities for change. Do I think
> that had an impact on the article and its tone? I would say at this point
> nothing that happens in the media can be taken out of this context.
>
> Michael
>
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> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Mike Cole
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> Subject: [xmca] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Seeing No Progress,Some Schools Drop
> Laptops
>
>
>
> I hope people can access this article. I am not sure.
> There is a lot worth discussing here. Contrasting what laptops are
> ordinarily used for and the kinds of
> activities that Donna is developing using Second Life and others are
> developing (David Shaffer, Jim Gee)
> etc raises a lot of good opportunities to discuss mediation and the
> organzation of activity. But first,
> can you access the article??
> mike
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