RE: [xmca] Vygotsky on Identity? - LSV never wrote on Identity :)

Would it be more a dialectical unity, this becoming?
~ Em

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Subject: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky on Identity? - LSV never wrote on Identity
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David,
I don't think he's talking about either self concept or identity, as the
latter is usually understood (some kind of self-interpretation). He's
talking about how one becomes a person, how one develops a personality,
which as I understand it is for him a particular profile of the higher
psychological functions, a concrete organization rather than an abstract
individuality, which is a product of one's relations with others in
practices of work, communication, etc.

Martin

On 11/28/07 1:16 AM, "David Atencio" <atencio1@unm.edu> wrote:

> Is Vygotsky talking about identity or self concept when states "we
> become ourselves through others" and that "personality becomes a
> personality for itself by virtue of the fact that it is in itself,
> through what it previously showed is itself for others?" (Vygotsky,
> 1929/1989, p. 56) - This is from "concrete human psychology"
-available
> from the xmca paper archive.
> David Atencio
>
> bella kotik wrote:
>
>> You are right, Anton- there is no exact word in Russian, but there
are
>> related terms and themas. When he speaks about the role of
>> national/international culture in upbringing and education is it
related to
>> identity formation?
>> Bella Kotik-Friedgut
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/07, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I would argue Vygotsky never wrote on Identity :) --
>>>
>>> unless anybody points out what Identity might stand for in
Vygotsky's -
>>> preferably original - texts.
>>>
>>> AY.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can anyone point me to where I should look in Vygotsky for his
ideas on
>>>> Identity and Identity formation?
>>>> I have the LSV Collected Works.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
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