Re: [xmca] Vygotsky on Identity? - LSV never wrote on Identity :)

Eric-- This is not a case where premature demise is particularly relevant.
Anton and Andy seem
to point to more fruitful lines of research in my view. I find the idea of a
"unified superego" pretty
scary, ditto cult of personality to which I think it is related. But it is
an interesting idea.

Jaan was an Estonian, not a Russian, which may also be relevant here.

In recent years there has been a lot of attention in Russian psychology to
"the subject" or subjectivity.
Perhaps that would be a fruitful line of investigation.
mike

On Nov 22, 2007 9:01 AM, <ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org> wrote:

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> Vygotsky would have invisioned. Valsiner writes a great deal on identity
> formation. For that same reason when I read articles in the CHAT
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> develop a theory of identity construction, and to my eyes this work seems
> to be quite valid so far I can see, but it does seem that Anton is right.
> Could I proffer a suggestion that is somewhat in line with Bella's
> suggestion: in the conditions of late 1920s/early 1930s Soviet Union where
> Vygotsky worked, and Vygotsky's social position dedicated to his role in
> the preparation of the conditions for the construction of the socialist
> future and the new type of human being, there was really no difference
> between growing up to become a citizen of the Soviet Union of good
> character and personality and what we in the late-capitalist world call
> identity? It is the absence of a unitary super-ego and the multiplicity of
> available visions of the good, and conflicting claims upon our loyalty
> which makes the problem of identity-construction such a central problem
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> our psychology. There just was no such problem for Vygotsky. The work that
> Eric pointed to about "Defectology" certain gave some hints in the
> direction of a theory of identity and shows Vygotsky's interest in efforts
> to appropriate Adler's individual psychology, but I think I can only see
> hints here, not an actual concept of identity as such.
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> Does that make sense. Can our Russian comrades tell me that I am quite
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> At 10:47 AM 21/11/2007 +0200, you wrote:
> >You are right, Anton- there is no exact word in Russian, but there are
> >related terms and themas. When he speaks about the role of
> >national/international culture in upbringing and education is it related
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> >identity formation?
> >Bella Kotik-Friedgut
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> >On 11/21/07, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > I would argue Vygotsky never wrote on Identity :) --
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> > > --- Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
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> > > > Can anyone point me to where I should look in Vygotsky for his ideas
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> > > > Identity and Identity formation?
> > > > I have the LSV Collected Works.
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