Re: [xmca] neoformation

Very interesting question, Andy. I would like to hear more about this too.
It is linked, among other things, to the issue of central and peripheral
lines of
development.

Elina?
mike

On Jan 19, 2008 9:26 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Elina,
> I see you use the word "neoformation." This is not a common word in
> English. The OED Online tells me it is a medical word which can mean new
> tissue which has grown over a wound, or a tumour or such like.
> It is possible to see what LSV means when he applies this concept to
> psychology and child development, but can you explain a bit more of the
> connotations of the word to a Russian, please?
> Andy
> At 11:55 PM 19/01/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> >I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree, there
> should
> >be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and
> development
> >as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
> >publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory ( See
> >Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning Activity.
> >*Journal
> >of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina tsukerman has a
> >fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching and
> >learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact translation of
> this
> >book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book " Types of
> >generalizations in teaching and learning"
> >
> >In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
> addressing
> >the claim of direct transfer of the abilities developed in the course of
> >quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other spheres of life
> including
> >moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social development, etc.
> We
> >had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin, Galina Tsukerman and others
> on
> >this issue and there were numerous observations that children educated in
> >the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum) were active learners,
> questioning
> >the status quo, capable to work collaboratively, comfortable with
> >uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the unknown areas of study, quite
> >comfortably ascending from abstract to concrete...:-) Daniil Elkonin in
> his
> >scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation' developed in the
> course
> >of becoming a subject of leading activity transforms the system of
> >relationships among previously internalized 'neoformations', and such
> >transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of theoretical
> thinking
> >during the learning activity thansforms the
> >previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific studies
> >addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
> >
> >Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of
> learning
> >here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore
> development/learning;
> >
> >1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and meanings in
> >development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
> >development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's inspired
> >teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New York,
> Moscow,
> >...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
> >
> >2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long learning. ( i
> was
> >excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
> >depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
> >reflection on the side)
> >
> >3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/critical
> >analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and learning (
> >CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
> >
> >4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new forms of
> >co-being and their impact on the course of learning and development...
> >
> >5. other?
> >
> >These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or
> discard
> >if they are out of the context of your thinking...
> >Elina
> >
> >
> >On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
> > > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
> > >
> > > YES, we all need to know about it.
> > > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its claims is
> kind
> > > of
> > > odd to
> > > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
> > >
> > > BUT
> > >
> > > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been devoted
> to
> > > VVD,
> > > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of Jean
> > > Shmittau?
> > > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of signs?
> > > mike
> > >
> > > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
> > >
> > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
> > > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
> > > > ~ Em
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu ]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the
> discussion
> > > > with
> > > > my question!
> > > > Elina
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that discussion? I've
> > > been
> > > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
> > > > > ~ Em
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Emily Duvall
> > > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
> > > > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
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> > > > >
> > > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day
> by
> > > > storm.
> > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
> > > > > To: David Preiss
> > > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective
> article
> > > > idea.
> > > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development
> between
> > >
> > > > > San
> > > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
> > > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to start
> to
> > > > > connect.
> > > > >
> > > > > mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What might
> be
> > > the
> > > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David Preiss
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not as well
> > > read
> > > > as
> > > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
> > > > assistance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
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> >I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end of
> >it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
> >violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
> >fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
> >is free to be a violin string.
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