Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

I'm struggling to get a handle on the concept of this collaborative paper.
It seems to me that the reflections of the veterans of Kharkov is something
that absolutely must be produced and may have a very wide interest,
probably wider than "Education and Didactique."
But we need a theme. "Learning and Development" is the front runner as a
theme, meaning the distinction and interrelation between learning and
development. Perhaps we need to establish some main headings and commission
or seek authors for topics??
1. Concepts of Learning and Development: Hegel/Marx/Vygotsky.
leading/peripheral, social situation, zpd, etc
2. Language learning and development: ??
3. Classroom methods: PPP, imitation, performance and collaboration, TAs,
PBL, etc.
4. Learning in Context: In school/out of school, formal/informal,
direct/mediated
5. Cross cultural: styles of learning, x-culture problems, ??
I'm just guessing. But I think it would be useful to agree some broad
headings and I think even a collaborative paper should demand that all
contributions address the common theme, viz., the relation between learning
and development.

Andy
At 10:26 AM 20/01/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>Elina-- Maybe we have more than one article here? I think a summary of the
>materials in the first paragraph of your would make a fantastic contribution
>to the journal and all of us.
>But you can and should do that yourself of with Galina or.....
>
>All of the topics 1-3 you list seem plausible to me. And maybe there are 3
>different articles with different mixes of authors there?
>mike
>
>
>On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree, there should
> > be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and development
> > as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
> > publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory ( See
> > Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning Activity.
> *Journal
> > of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina tsukerman has a
> > fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching and
> > learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact translation of this
> > book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book " Types of
> > generalizations in teaching and learning"
> >
> > In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
> > addressing the claim of direct transfer of the abilities developed in the
> > course of quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other spheres of life
> > including moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social
> > development, etc. We had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin, Galina
> > Tsukerman and others on this issue and there were numerous observations
> that
> > children educated in the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum) were active
> > learners, questioning the status quo, capable to work collaboratively,
> > comfortable with uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the unknown areas of
> > study, quite comfortably ascending from abstract to concrete...:-) Daniil
> > Elkonin in his scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation' developed
> > in the course of becoming a subject of leading activity transforms the
> > system of relationships among previously internalized
> 'neoformations', and
> > such transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of theoretical
> > thinking during the learning activity thansforms the
> > previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific studies
> > addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
> >
> > Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of learning
> > here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore
> development/learning;
> >
> > 1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and meanings in
> > development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
> > development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's inspired
> > teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New York,
> Moscow,
> > ...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
> >
> > 2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long learning. ( i
> > was excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
> > depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
> > reflection on the side)
> >
> > 3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/critical
> > analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and learning (
> > CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
> >
> > 4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new forms of
> > co-being and their impact on the course of learning and development...
> >
> > 5. other?
> >
> > These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or
> > discard if they are out of the context of your thinking...
> > Elina
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
> > > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
> > >
> > > YES, we all need to know about it.
> > > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its claims is
> > > kind of
> > > odd to
> > > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
> > >
> > > BUT
> > >
> > > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been devoted to
> > > VVD,
> > > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of Jean
> > > Shmittau?
> > > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of signs?
> > > mike
> > >
> > > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
> > >
> > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
> > > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
> > > > ~ Em
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > ] On
> > > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the discussion
> > > > with
> > > > my question!
> > > > Elina
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that discussion? I've
> > > been
> > > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
> > > > > ~ Em
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Emily Duvall
> > > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
> > > > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
> > > > > 1000 W. Hubbard Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
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> > > > >
> > > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by
> > > > storm.
> > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > ]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
> > > > > To: David Preiss
> > > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective article
> > > > idea.
> > > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development
> > > between
> > > > > San
> > > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
> > > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to start to
> > > > > connect.
> > > > >
> > > > > mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss < davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What might be
> > > the
> > > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David Preiss
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not as well
> > > read
> > > > as
> > > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
> > > > assistance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
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> > I have on my table a violin string. It is free. I twist one end of
> > it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
> > violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
> > fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
> > is free to be a violin string.
> > Sir Rabindranath Tagore.
> >
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