Re: [xmca] Antirecapitulationism and the Logical Impossiblity of Social Progress

thanks Andy,

I had not noticed the "us" in consci - wow - life long learning! And!
A word is in fact a palimpsest - a cultural tool & sign with so much
history - LSV's word-meaning is beautiful standpoint

Leif

7 apr 2008 kl. 15.57 skrev Andy Blunden:

> It's the same in English Leif, or more exactly, the Latin roots of
> the English word. Originally, in medieval English, "conscious"
> meant being "in the know", ie., being part of a group with access
> to an esoteric knowledge.
>
> From the Oxford English Dictionary Online:
>
> f. L. consci-us knowing something with others, knowing in oneself,
> privy to, conscious + -OUS. L. consci-us f. con- together + sci-
> knowing, as in scire to know: cf. nescius unknowing, præscius
> foreknowing. There is no such word in F., which uses conscient in
> some of the senses (as did also Bacon); but It. has conscio privy,
> accessary, guilty, from 16th c.
>
>
> 1. Knowing, or sharing the knowledge of anything, together with
> another; privy to anything with another. Obs. [With quot. 1651, cf.
> L. alicui alicujus rei conscius.]
>
>
> Andy
>
>
> At 07:43 AM 7/04/2008 +0200, you wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just a small note
>>
>> in my language the word consciousness is
>>
>> medvetande
>>
>> med+vetande
>> with+knowing
>> i.e. knowing with - another person
>>
>> Leif
>> Sweden
>> 7 apr 2008 kl. 00.33 skrev David Kellogg:
>>
>>> No problem, Martin!
>>>
>>> In Halliday's 1992 essay "How do you mean?" (Collected Works,
>>> Vol. 1, p. 354) he says:
>>>
>>> "We have often pointed out that it takes two to mean; but we
>>> still tend to refer to consciousness as if it was an individual
>>> phenomenon, with the social as an add-on feature. I would prefer
>>> the Vygotskyan perspective, whereby consciousness is itself a
>>> social mode of being."
>>>
>>> I asked Halliday about this when I met him in Tokyo, and he said
>>> that he doesn't refer to Vygotsky much because he finds that when
>>> people do they do not mean what Vygotsky meant, but that he DOES
>>> mean what Vygotsky meant.
>>>
>>> The first page of the grammar is Halliday and Matthiessen,
>>> Introduction to Functional Grammar, third edition, p. 3, where he
>>> says the grammar purports to answer the question "Why does the text
>>> mean what it does (to me, or to anyone else)?" To me and to
>>> Widdowson, this suggests that a grammar, which necessarily
>>> decontextualizes language, can explain how texts mean.
>>>
>>> Widdowson criticizes this view at BOOK LENGTH in his 2004 work
>>> "Text, Context, Pretext: Critical Issues in Discourse Analysis",
>>> which is essentially a reworking of his Ph.D. thesis. See
>>> especially 16-35, Chapter Two.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
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