Re: RES: [xmca] Vygotsky, Lukacs and Lenin - another try

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/tp/index.htm
Andy
Joao Batista wrote:
> Bruce, thank you. I found the reference of AU and I requested the article
> for the author. You can to indicate me the Trotsky book where he developed
> conception of transitional politics and demands?
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> Joao
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> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] Em nome
> de Bruce Robinson
> Enviada em: domingo, 20 de abril de 2008 13:26
> Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Assunto: [xmca] Vygotsky, Lukacs and Lenin - another try
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> Fourth time lucky? Hope it's worth it--
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> I've sent this twice now but apparently only empty messages arrived.
> Apologies
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> for empty mail and thanks for telling me, Vera. Third time lucky... I am
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> from home and on a strange set-up so no guarantee, I'm afraid.
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> Bruce
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Bruce Robinson
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> To: 'eXtended, Mind, Culture, Activity' , Andy Blunden
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> Sent: Fri Apr 18 13:32
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> Subject: Fwd: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky xLukács
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> Perhaps a link here is the relation of both to Lenin's ideas. In his article
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> Science and SOCIETY July 2007 on Vygotsky and Lenin, Wayne Au draws a very
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> link between Lenin's 'What is to be done?' and LSV on two issues related to
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> learning: the difference between everyday and scientific consciousness and
> the
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> ZPD. Au concludes LSV might have been directly aware of WITBD in his writing
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> it might also have been that they approached related problems from the same
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> dialectical materialist framework, thus reaching similar conclusions. The
> former
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> seems possible to me.
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> Lukacs of course took up these ideas of Lenin's in 'history and Class
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> Consciousness', in my view in a rather fetishised way, making the revolution
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> point at which the proletariat leapt to a realisation of its historic class
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> consciousness. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to Joao, but I
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> that much closer relationship to the ZPD can be found in Lenin and also
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> particularly in Trotsky with his conception of transitional politics and
> demands.
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> I'm afraid I don't have the exact reference for the Au article with me but
> it
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> should be easy to find as the title starts with 'Vygotsky and Lenin'. I
> would be
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> interested to hear what xmca'ers think of it.
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> BTW, I think there is a lot in Lukacs' last unfinished text 'The Ontology of
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> Social Being' that is of interest from a CHAT perspective.
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> Bruce Robinson
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