RE: [xmca] Internalization and Appropriation

Thanks David and Carol.
David

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On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
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To: vaughndogblack@yahoo.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Internalization and Appropriation

I was going to recommend 2 as very accessible. I have used it briefly
in
one of my own papers.His example about history teaching and learning
works
well.
Carol

2008/7/29 David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>

> I can suggest three places to look. But I'm afraid I can't give you
the
> exact page numbers; I'm out in the woods away from my library:
>
> a) There is a criticism of Vygotsky's internalization on this question
in
> "Vygotsky and the Social Formation of Mind", J.V. Wertsch, CUP 1985.
>
> b) Wertsch has a more succinct version of this argument with a much
more
> accessible example (pole vaulting) in the early chapters of "Mind as
> Action", OUP 1998. This is good because it leads (my) grad students to
a
> discussion of whether appropriation might be okay for physical
activities
> like pole vaulting and internalization okay for semiotic activities
like
> languaging.
>
> c) There is a "third position" in Lantolf, J. P. (2003). Intrapersonal
> communication and internalization in the second language classroom. In
A.
> Kozulin, V. S. Ageev, S. Miller and B. Gindis. (Eds.), Vygotsky's
> Educational Theory in Cultural Context. (pp. 349-370). Cambridge,
Cambridge
> University Press. Lantolf goes for "interiorization", a solution I
would
> prefer, except that I can't think of a good outward oriented
counterpart.
> "Exteriorization" as opposed to expression? Hmmmm....
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> From: David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu>
> Subject: [xmca] Internalization and Appropriation
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 10:53 AM
>
> Can anyone recommend a relatively accessible paper (for use in an ed
> psych type course) that compares and contrasts notions of
> internalization from sociocultural theory and appropriation from
> activity theory?
> Thanks.
> David Kirshner
> PS. You can reply off line and I will compile a list of suggestions
(if
> any) to re-circulate back to the list.
> dkirsh@lsu.edu
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