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Yes. We appear to be talking past each other with lots of bemused observers. I misinterpreted your first message because I had this quick response to the word "standards" which in my life comes up most often in the NCLB context. You quite appropriately reoriented me. But I got to thinking, as I often do, about internalization at the level of individuals and of organizations. Hence my response. In YOUR context (now) I believe we agree. mike PS-- Do you think I am totally off the wall in drawing an analogy between internalization at the individual and organizational levels? (Disinterest aside). Certainly very possible!!! On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote: > Mike > I'm sorry, I have no real interest in NCLB (that isn't true, but not > in this context). I was referring to the sense in which Bodrova and Leong > seem to be using it. You seem to recognize that sense? > > Ed > > On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Mike Cole wrote: > > Ed-- I do not have the refs to hand, but there is quite a literature on the > impact of NCLBehind on classroom > practices. > > Peter S and many others. Help!! > mike > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote: > >> Mike >> There is always the question of the Other and volumes have been >> written on this. However, it is the process of this type of internalization >> in which I'm interested as it seems to be always simultaneously problematic >> and crucial. So as you say THAT, might you say more about THAT (smile) or >> point me, as you have graciously done, in the direction? >> >> Ed >> >> On Mar 24, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Mike Cole wrote: >> >> Oh, THAT kind of performance standards. I was missing the context. e.g. we >> internalize the expectations that others have of us. >> >> Shifting contexts to the level of national educational policy (which was >> the context I created with your words) provides an sort of interesting way >> to think about the extent to which no child left behind standards were >> internalized. At the institutional level, a lot in some places judging by >> the way in which classrooms have been changed into test driven organizations >> and accepted as "appropriate" (having been appropriated!). >> mike >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote: >> >>> Mike >>> >>> The idea behind such a phrasing, if I understand correctly, seems to >>> predate Aristotle (he says something like "We think it proper for the young >>> to be modest, because as they live by feeling they often err, and modesty >>> may keep them in check"), but such wording (i.e. 'internalization of >>> performance standards') appears in Elena Bodrova and Deborah J. Leong. Tools >>> of the Mind so I had assumed that it was somewhat usual. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Mike Cole wrote: >>> >>> Could you expand please, Ed? I am not certain of what you mean. >>>> mike >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Folks >>>>> >>>>> In some reading I've been doing the notion of, one might say, >>>>> 'internalization of performance standards' appears. I have the >>>>> impression >>>>> that Vygotsky thought something like thist and/or some of those after >>>>> him. >>>>> Any places I can look for more information? >>>>> >>>>> Ed Wall >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca