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Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose And nothing ain't worth nothing honey if it ain't free 3rd stanza ~em -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Cole Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:11 PM To: David Kellogg Cc: Culture ActivityeXtended Mind Subject: Re: [xmca] a minus times a plus The translation from math discourse to discourse discourse will almost certainly help, David. The teen's dad was very clear about a double negative being a positive. "Not not caring=caring" but that understanding does not cross discourse.representational domains. I thought Joplin's line was "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." Hard to remember stuff from the prior millenium. mike PS -- Hmmm, or was that something about the freedom of necessity from yet another prior millenium? PPS-- I'll give your version a try. First chance I get, mike On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote: > > Mike: > > Try the following sentences on your teenager. (Sing where possible!) > > a) It's worth it. > b) It's not worth it. > c) It's not not worth it. > d) It's not worth nothing. > e) Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free (Kris Kristofferson version) > f) Nothing ain't worth nothing hon' if it ain't free. (Janis Joplin > version) > (Thanks to an imperfectly anonymous reviewer for MCA for straightening out > my discography for the last two examples.) > > See if he can explain WHICH sentences mean something is worth it and which > ones mean it's not worth it. Of course, this IS related to the notion of a > negative operating on a positive to produce a negative. > > But how to explain the relationship? I think it's not that systems of > negation in language are mathematical; it's that systems of negation in > MATHEMATICS tend to the linguistic. That's the way ALL higher psychological > processes work. > > David Kellogg > Seoul National University of Education > > > > > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca