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David The buck stops here!! It is me and I will talk to you in private. I wrote 6 major reports and a book on the project. Writing to you now. Cx 2009/6/9 David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com> > Well, I think some of the fun of xmca is trying out statements that are a > little strong and then trying to defend them against all comers, including > my better self. > > Mike has reminded me, that some of what I've said in this space really > IS nonsense: Kohler's apes did NOT learn instantly or not at all, and in > that sense the Kohler results are similar to Thorndike's. > > eric: Yes, it's a bold statement, and yes, it really does do away with the > Vygotsky triangle, and with the goal-orientation which Leontiev makes so > much of. But I think the boldness is to be found in Vygotsky's statement > that we cannot explain the trajetory of a cannoball solely by referring to > the aim of a gunner. Vygotsky himself is rejecting the idea that the > triangle, or any other form of analysis into units that has, at bottom, > stimulus response, can explain consciousness. > > Carol: I think it really depends on what we mean by CONSCIOUS grammar. But > I also think that any use of the SIGNIFYING function of language--that is, > znachenie as opposed to smysl, has implicit in it the idea that concepts are > related to other concepts and not simply to objects. And as you say ALL > foreign language teaching has this as a starting point. Of course, Belyayev > would say that, and so would Lanham. > > I have long suspected, and now I am quite sure, that YOU are the C. > Macdonald referred to in the paper by Nutall and Langhan on the Molteno > Project in Swain and Johnson, Immersion Education: International > Perspectives. > > Do you know where I can find: > > Macdonald, C.A. (1989) English langaueg skills evaluation: A final report > of the Threshold Project. > > Macdonal, C.A. and Burroughs, E. (1991) Bilingual models of education: I > see a tree with leaves. > > Or any other good stuff on Molteno, Lanham, and Belyayev? I'm designing a > graduate MA course on immersion next fall and I don't want to do all that > Canadian stuff again. > > David Kellogg > Seoul National University of Education > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > -- Visiting Researcher, Wits School of Education 6 Andover Road Westdene Johannesburg 2092 011 673 9265 082 562 1050 _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca