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the addition of vocal and deliberate help a lot. thanks mike On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com>wrote: > Of course, stomach rumbling reflect stomach conditions. We don't rumble > deliberately or to express emotion. That you would ask that question is > perplexing. The vocal sounds we are able to deliberately produce, > (phonemes), are what we use to refer to things. .... AND these vocal > sounds resonate so as to generate emotional reactions. These emotional > reactions/experiences, inform we humans of the supposed effects of what we > use them to name. > > Joseph Gilbert > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 1:32 PM, mike cole wrote: > > Gilbert -- I assume the "Our" you start with is a statement about homo >> sapiens sapiens? >> >> I am uncertain of the temporal sequence in your account of language. My >> stomach grumbles, a bodily sound. Do I use this sound to represent >> something >> outside of myself? How i react to something presumably is conditional on >> what I am doing and where i am but hard to see that in your account. >> >> The part about a fearful environment of evolutionary adaptation certainly >> seems plausible....... and for most of humanity a lot of the time, remains >> true to this day. >> mike >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com >> >wrote: >> >> Our culture is based upon a fearful world view. It was instituted with >>> the >>> roots of human language. What were the living conditions for humans at >>> the >>> time that the roots of our current language were established? >>> >>> It is very curious that we use sounds of our bodies to represent >>> things outside of us. The sounds of our bodies represent goings-on of our >>> bodies, physically and emotionally. We use the bodily sounds which come >>> from >>> the way we are affected by a thing to represent that thing It is the >>> effect >>> on us that is represented by our bodily sounds, not the thing. The thing >>> is >>> indirectly represented by our body sounds as a consequence of how we are >>> affected by the thing. There is the THING, the EFFECT and the BODY >>> SOUND. >>> Without the effect, there would be no sound. Without the sound, there >>> would >>> be no word. We cannot take our reactions to things out of the picture of >>> how >>> language works and expect to understand it. Language is primarily all >>> about >>> how we react to things. It conveys how we react to each other. The >>> how-we-react about any particular thing is the what-that-thing-means. >>> What a >>> thing means can only come from our experience with it and we experience >>> our >>> reaction. >>> >>> Joseph Gilbert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca