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Achilles. I do not know the answer to your question. Lets see what our native Russian speakers can tell us. mike On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Achilles Delari Junior < achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, XMCA, > > > > Please, > > > > In some inner meetings of Vygotsky's group, around 1932-33-34, there was an > interesting claim from him about methodological problem of the analysis: > "Семический > анализ есть единственный адекватный метод изучения системного и смыслового > строения сознания" = something like: "[Semicheskii] analysis is the only > adequate method for the study of the systemic and [smyslovoe] structure [or > construction (?) = stroenie]" of consciousness - Well, in my Portuguese > version I have a great problem not exactly because "stroenie" translation as > "structure" - spite the word is not "struktura" - but mainly with > "semicheskii" that was translated as "semiotic" and Vygotsky's word was not > "semioticheskii" - French version translate the same "semitcheskii" has > "sémantique" - but this is not so comfortable too, because "smyslovoe" in > Portuguese was transformed in "semantic" too. But there is "semantika" and > "semanticheskii" in Russian too, at least in present time. I don't know > about actual familiarity of Vygotsky with terms such as "semiotics", > "semantics", and so on, at that time... How can we better translate > "semicheskii analiz" today? Or, even better: by what methodological means > did somebody actually proceed that kind of so important analysis, at that > times? To what methodology Vygotsky concretely refereed with the term > "semicheskii analiz" - "the only adequate method for the study of the > systemic and "semantic" [smyslovoe] "construction" [stroenie] of > consciousness"... The only title in Russian around this matter that in find > in Google search was: Аснин, В. И. & Запорожец, А. В. (1935). Семический > анализ языковых значений, усвоенных в школе. Сборник исследований > харьковской группы; не был опубликован - something like Asnin, V.I & > Zaporozhets, A.V. (1935) Semicheskii analysis of linguistic (?) meanings, > adopted in school. Collection of investigations of Kharkov's group. ---> but > this was not published... Can I suppose that not only Vygotsky believed that > "semicheskii analysis" was important, but even some people apply it in > empirical research? Ow, sure... I can found many entries to "semic > analysis" in contemporary semiotic studies, but seems to be no much in a > "genetic" approach... then I am very limited in choice an adequate > translation, and even more limited in understand the actual concept... > "semiotic analysis"(?), "analyse sémantique"(?), "semic analysis"(?) - this > was not any kind of "concept formation" study, was it? > > > > Thank you for your help, one more time. > > > > Achilles. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > No Messenger você pode tranformar sua imagem de exibição num vídeo. Veja > aqui! > > http://www.windowslive.com.br/public/tip.aspx/view/97?product=2&ocid=WindowsLive:Dicas - Imagem Dinamica:Hotmail:Tagline:1x1:Mexa-se > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca