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Re: [xmca] conservation



martin is in Columbia, David. Glad to try to work it out and to skype for
discussion--
all grist for the mill of digital records for cultural historical scholars
now and in the future. I am struggling to make it the weekend and through
the next two weeks. At that point my work load gets significantly reduced.

Martin-- I am not sure that the conservation experiments were even conducted
before LSV died. For out take about 1983, see the culture and cog dev
article
at lchc.ucsd.edu. lab pubs. There is a good deal of other work along these
lines. The amount and variety of approaches and bad reporting on what was
done make it all quite difficult. I think its up to us to figure it out
using, in so far as possible, LSV-style principles.
mike

On3  Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 PM, David Kellogg
<vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Sorry, everybody! That was supposed to off list to Martin. Sorry, sorry,
> sorry....
>
> dk
>
> --- On Thu, 2/25/10, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] conservation
> To: "Culture ActivityeXtended Mind" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>, "Mike Cole" <
> lchcmike@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:50 PM
>
>
> Martin:
>
> I'm REALLY glad you asked this. When I raised it before Mike said that
> basically young children DO have conservation but they are misled by the
> context of the question (which is more or less my explanation, because even
> for adults "more" can mean something like "the level is higher").
>
> But he said that there's a bunch of stuff on both sides, including Bruner
> and Greenfield (1966) and Greenfield (1972). I haven't been able to track
> down the articles that he means; in general my resources are on-line and
> they don't go back very far into the pre-internet age.
>
> He did, however, invite me to Skype on this sometime this weekend when
> sanity returns to his schedule. Unfortunately, I have a grad retreat today
> and tomorrow (that's YOUR Thursday and Friday, my Friday and Saturday) and
> an informal wine and cheese (well, kimchi and smoked duck) with some
> undergrads about T&S Chapter 1 on Sunday (your Saturday).
>
> But if Mike is agreeable, maybe we could cobble something together for:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Location
> Local time
> Time zone
>
> Seoul (South Korea)
> Sunday, 28 February 2010, 09:00:00
> UTC+9 hours
>
> Philadelphia (U.S.A. - Pennsylvania)
> Saturday, 27 February 2010, 19:00:00
> UTC-5 hours EST
>
> Corresponding UTC (GMT)
>
> Sunday, 28 February 2010, 00:00:00
>
>
>
> That's your dinner time, but it's just about Mike's high tea, so he might
> be agreeable.
>
> dk
>
> --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
> Subject: [xmca] conservation
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:26 PM
>
>
> Can I ask if anyone has, or has come across, a Vygotskian explanation of
> children's 'failure to conserve' in early childhood?
>
> Martin
>
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