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Ain't got hardly know hidea of what 2 due about grammar, Andy. There is a book by Markova, student of Davydov's, on teaching Russian to Russian kids that may provide some insight. Speaking from personal experience, I was totally put off and confused by the lessons designed to teach me (American) English grammar that involved parsining sentences in diagrams that totally befuddled me, used as i was, to speaking in (more or less grammatical) sentences without realizing what i was doing. I believe that my most effective education in learning grammar in a conscious, motivated, and (largely ineffective) manner came when i began to learn Russian as a graduate student. My wife, Sheila, and i puzzled over such arcane issues as what is the genetive or dative case? Case? I was a mental case. I learned Russian most effectively elbow to elbow with other of Luria's lab assistants who need to get the job done but could not speak English. I always marvel at the ability of people like David Kel to think about these matters from, so to speak, above. I find it difficult to think about them at all. Its like chewing gum, walking, and considering what the hell m=mc**2 at the same time!! (actually, i am guessing that the ** convention which I learned when I learned Fortran, has something to do with grammar, but that was in the prior millenium). Zo hit goz. mike On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > Our immensely incompetent Labor Government yesterday announced their new > national curriculum for schools (formerly this was a state responsibility). > > It features the teaching of history from the very beginning, including > indigenous history (this is an unambiguous good) and emphasises the 3 Rs, > including grammar. No curriculum has been set yet in Geography and other > subjects. > > > http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/a-sound-beginning-20100301-pdlv.html > > Helen raised with me off-line this problem of reintroducing the teaching of > grammar: who is going to educate the educators? Anyone under 55 today did > not learn grammar at school or until they did a foreign language, when they > learnt the grammar of the other language. (Grammar means "Which icon do I > click now?") > > What do xmca-ers think about teaching grammar? (I am in favour.) > > Also, many progressive educators here are opposed to curricula in toto: > education should be about learning not content. Do xmca-ers agree? > > Given the disastrous implementation of policies by this government over the > past 2 years, I fear for our education system. What do people think? > > Andy > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andy Blunden http://www.erythrospress.com/ > Classics in Activity Theory: Hegel, Leontyev, Meshcheryakov, Ilyenkov $20 > ea > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca