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Crocodile Dundee? :-) (The Ratner thing was no joke) The Review of Karpov was gentler than I would have been but just fine with good critical comments to leaven polite praise) m (on the move today) On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > Ha, ha! Thank you Carol for your too-kind words. Emily and I talk often > enough for me to take the "Blunden guy" thing with the good humour in which > I know it was intended! I actually read Emily's apology this morning before > I read the dozen or so xmca messages and figured out what on earth Emily was > apologising for. You are all on this list very dear friends and can call me > by any name you like. > > Andy > > mike cole wrote: > >> Never mind, Em. I would be surprised if Andy misinterpreted your remark, >> but >> he can speak for himself when he wakes up! >> >> Re the article summary you posted: " Parts Of Brain Involved In Social >> Cognition May Be In Place By Age Six." Having read it I can see how you >> related to Carl's statement but i do not think claims about the "parts of >> the brain being in place" and "There is no >> longer an interaction of biological and social determinants of behavior >> (at >> age 6) are anything like saying the same thing. >> l >> The developmental social cognition piece itself would be well worth >> discussing if people wanted to, along with other research in what people >> call "social neuroscience" which has some very interesting implications >> for >> thinking about human development. That line of work could use some serious >> critical examination from a Vygotsky-Luria perspective. >> With respect to the article you pointed us at we might ask what is meant >> by >> "parts of the brain," what is meant by "in place" and what the relations >> between them might be. >> >> mike >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm sorry Carol (and Andy), I know Andy, and certainly agree with you. >>> I was simply joking as he provides so much for us all. I did not mean >>> any disrespect what so ever! >>> ~em >>> >>> >>> Emily Duvall, PhD >>> Assistant Professor of Curriculum & Instruction >>> Assistant Professor of Neuroscience >>> University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene >>> 1031 North Academic Way, Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814 >>> T 208 292 2512 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu | www.cda.uidaho.edu >>> >>> He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by >>> storm. >>> -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] >>> On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald >>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:16 PM >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Andy Blunden >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] FW: ScienceDaily: Parts Of Brain Involved In >>> SocialCognition May Be In Place By Age Six >>> >>> Emily >>> Please do not refer to "that Andy Blunden guy" -- he is building some of >>> the >>> best theory of Activity, and understands the origins of LSV thinking >>> better >>> than most of us. >>> >>> Write to him--he is always at his computer and he answers courteously >>> even >>> to my dim questions. >>> >>> *ablunden@mira.net>* >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> On 17 September 2010 19:23, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I'm forwarding this piece as I think it is pretty interesting not so >>>> much with regard to autism (although that is definitely interesting), >>>> but with regard to understanding the development of higher mental >>>> functions, specifically in terms of the age range being discussed >>>> >>>> >>> below. >>> >>> >>>> This is also the crucial age for Vygotsky with the social, thinking >>>> about Thought and Language specifically. >>>> As Ratner states, in this regard, >>>> " By seven years of age, most natural determinants of behavior have >>>> >>>> >>> died >>> >>> >>>> out and the basis of behavior is overwhelmingly cultural, and Vygotsky >>>> repeatedly stresses this qualitative transformation. There is no >>>> >>>> >>> longer >>> >>> >>>> an interaction of biological and social determinants of behavior. At >>>> this point, the child's individuality is a function of her particular >>>> social experience, which has increased exponentially over the years >>>> (i.e., more in the later years, less in the early years). The manner >>>> >>>> >>> in >>> >>> >>>> which others have reacted to her behavior and physical traits (such as >>>> beauty, gender, and skin color) replaces biological determinants of >>>> behavior." (Ratner, Child Psychology: Vygotsky's Conception of >>>> Psychological Development, >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.sonic.net/~cr2/vygdev.htm<http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.htm> >>> <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.htm> >>> <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev. >>> htm <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.%0Ahtm>>) >>> >>> >>> >>>> I see a link here, too, with the work by that Andy Blunden guy >>>> (supported by discussions with Cole and Kellogg) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> (http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygotsky-on-deve >>> lopment.pdf< >>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygot >>> sky-on-deve%0Alopment.pdf< >>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygot%0Asky-on-deve%0Alopment.pdf >>> >>) >>> >>> who discuss development and the "Crisis at >>> age 7" - this >>> >>> >>>> very nice discussion, I think, and really illuminates the research >>>> below. I highly recommend it to those interested metacognition. >>>> >>>> Parts Of Brain Involved In Social Cognition May Be In Place By Age Six >>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090715074930.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> By scanning the brains of children ages 6 to 11 as they listened to >>>> children's stories, researchers have for the first time investigated >>>> brain regions associated with social cognition in human children. >>>> Researchers found that one of the brain regions, the right >>>> tempero-parietal junction, appeared to change its function between the >>>> ages of 6 and 11. This research has implications for the study of >>>> atypical social development, as happens in autism. >>>> >>>> ~em >>>> >>>> >>>> Emily Duvall, PhD >>>> Assistant Professor of Curriculum & Instruction >>>> Assistant Professor of Neuroscience >>>> University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene >>>> 1031 North Academic Way, Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814 >>>> T 208 292 2512 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu | www.cda.uidaho.edu >>>> >>>> He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by >>>> storm. >>>> -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> WORK as: >>> Visiting Lecturer >>> Wits School of Education >>> HOME (please use these details) >>> 6 Andover Road >>> Westdene >>> Johannesburg 2092 >>> +27 (0)11 673 9265 +27 (0)82 562 1050 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/> > Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos > Book: http://www.brill.nl/scss > > > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca