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Thanks Andy I will ponder on this answer and be reflective as I play with both notions "activity" and "representations" [and also the terms "traditions" and "Discourses"] I do agree that Sandra is foregrounding "representations" as foundational. I will pay close attention when reading her book on how she links up "social representations" with "activity" and how she understands the interrelations. At minimum Sandra's re-evaluation of the term "representations" emphasizes HISTORICAL consciousness as fundamental within ontogenesis. Larry On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > Well these pragraphs are interesting, but my only problem for having a CHAT > concept of ideology is that the writer takes *representation *as the most > fundamental category, and defines other concepts in terms of representation. > But in CHAT, representation is not the fundamental category, which would > rather be *activity*. And it is hardly a big struggle to define > *institutions *in terms of activity. The problem is more how to conceive of > representation in terms of activity. And I think there are very good reasons > to have activity as a fundamental category and representation as a > derivative concept. > > Andy > > Larry Purss wrote: > >> Hi Andy & others >> >> You mentioned that ideology is institutionalized consciousness, or that >> institutionalization is inherently an aspect of consciousness and each are >> inseparable from one another. >> >> I'm wondering if this framing of ideology can be linked to notions of >> "social representations" Mike recommended the book "knowledge in Context >> by >> Sandra Jovchelovich and her definition of SOCIAL representations [in >> contrast to cognitive notions of representation] seems to parallel the >> discussion of ideology. >> Her definition of representation: >> >> To represent is to make present what is actually absent, through the use >> of >> symbols... Representation is at the basis of the construction of >> languages, >> and the acquisition of speech, and is crucial to establishing the >> interrelations that constitute the social order and is the material >> through >> which cultures form and are transformed across time [history] and space." >> >> She further writes >> Representation is the basis of inclusion and exclusion - who is and who is >> not represented and underlies the very core of the knowledge of ourselves >> and the world. Very few representations reach verity [a true depiction of >> the world]. Even when there is a high level of consensus within he >> culture, >> there is always some dissent from others proposing alternative >> representations. What constitutes truth and reality is informed by >> representations which are always precarious and unstable.... Much of the >> tension and disputes over representations can be explained by an >> underlying >> tendency to focus solely on its epistemic function [the ability of >> representation to produce knowledge ABOUT the world] There is a strong >> tendency to equate the epistemic function of representation with cognition >> and to ERASE from the representational process its connection with persons >> and contexts. When this happens, representation is reduced to a mental >> epistemic phenomenon, ruled by information processing functions >> [mechanisms] >> that cognitive models call "mind".... The MULTIDIMENSIONAL aspects of >> representation, which are clearly visible in its social psychological >> GENESIS and social foundations are RENDERED INVISIBLE. >> >> Ideology and "social representations" as concepts seem to share similar >> roots. >> >> Larry >> >> It was good to see that a German speaker read this passage the same way I >> have, because there are multiple translations of the passage. But if we >> take >> the line that ideology is institutionalised consciousness, or that >> institutionalisation is inherently an aspect of consciousness and each are >> inseparable from one another in general, then this problematic concept of >> "false consciousness" disappears. It is simply a matter of the practical >> critique of forms of social practice, of what deserves to be defended and >> what should be brought down. >> Andy <Andy@mira.net> >> >> >> mike cole wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once Lucas set me off looking at that interesting webpage of Teun van >>> >>> >>>> Dijk, >>>> I realized that an inquiry >>>> into people's uses of the term, ideology, could take us ANYWHERE. So, >>>> thinking of anywhere, I thought in >>>> particular of Raymond Williams' KEYWORD which is on my home bookshelf, >>>> and >>>> sure enough, the entry there >>>> on ideology was interesting. >>>> >>>> Then I wondered if there was a web version so I could add that to the >>>> discussion in an easy-to-access way and, >>>> voila, as they say, I came up with the following; >>>> >>>> http://www.autodidactproject.org/other/ideo8.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> mike >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >>> Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos >>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/scss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos > Book: http://www.brill.nl/scss > > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca