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China has the goal to create 2 of the "best" universities in the world. They are going to America's and Great Britain's "top" universities to study their "Liberal art" disciplines [not engineering or science] They recognize it is the liberal arts not the classical sciences that "generate" great learning spaces I wonder if Al Andalus and its libraries emphasized "sciences or liberal arts? Larry On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>wrote: > Hi Carol, > > I have some Korean students and sometimes we talk about. the educational > system There seems to be at least some type of battle raging in Korean > education circles over all of this. The trouble with what is happening is > that the system is producing cookie cutter students and there is little > emphasis, or even a fear of creativity. I think Korea just dramatically > changed its cthat ollege entrance exame format because of this so that it > is based less on a standardized test model and much more on written essays. > Also I believe it used to be that you could only apply to one or two > colleges so that application process was very high stakes and nerve wracking > - but now you can apply to multiple colleges. I have heard the same thing > in China discussing the education process, they are worried the system is > teaching students how to take tests and not to think. > > We here in the United States seem to be moving in the oppositie directions > (except of course at very expensive private schools). We are working more > and more to take creativity and independent thinking out of the education > process, especially for those from lower socio-economic backgrounds. You > are right I think, KIPP is an attempt to institute the type of intensely > focused education that some in Asian countries are trying to escape, > complete with the emphasis on long hours of rote learning. There have been > limited studies of KIPP even on success in this, usually at only one or two > KIPP schools - chosen by KIPP. I have no idea why there haven't been more > comprehensive studies. But even the studies that are done are not > longitudinal - meaning we don't know if there is a lasting effect on > learning based self-efficacies (why are there no studied measuring > self-efficacy when that is what KIPP is claiming it accomplishes?). The > program seems to work for a certain type of student for a particular amount > of time, but as the Korean example suggests, what are we losing? > > Michael > > ________________________________ > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Carol Macdonald > Sent: Wed 10/12/2011 12:55 AM > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Subject: [xmca] Korean Education > > > > Did anyone see the article in the Time magazine about the Korean > school educational obsession with studying, and the "learning police" who > have to check that night schools don't go over 10:00p.m? And students sleep > in class during the day. Compare that with the *equally high > performance*of Finnish children who have 5 hours of school, one hour > of homework, and > only 13% having remedial lessons. > What does that tell us about the optimum conditions for school learning? > (National obsessions aside.) > Carol > > PS The KIPP schools approximate the Korean model--what there? > > -- > Children have to be educated, but they have also to be left to educate > themselves. > Ernest Dimnet< > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/ernestdimn404995.html> > > > *Visiting Lecturer > Wits School of Education > Research Fellow* > *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > * > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca