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Those are both terrifically useful passages to think with, Larry and Andy. Thanks. I (so to speak) really resonate to the notion of rhythmicity and movement in the first passage, and the "doublebarrel" metaphor in the second. I think for the latter that barrel is perhaps unfortunate in so far as "two-way" *temporality* is backgrounded. thanks! mike On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > What about this one Larry? > > ‘Experience’ is what James called a double-barreled word. Like > its congeners, life and history, it includes /what/ men do and > suffer, /what/ they strive for, love, believe and endure, and > /how/ men act and are acted upon, the ways in which they do and > suffer, desire and enjoy, see, believe, imagine – in short, > processes of /experiencing/. ... It is ‘double-barreled’ in that > it recognizes in its primary integrity no division between act > and material, subject and object, but contains them both in an > unanalyzed totality. ‘Thing’ and ‘thought’, as James says in the > same connection, are single-barreled; they refer to products > discriminated by reflection out of primary experience (1929 PJD: > 256-7). > > Andy > > > Larry Purss wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> On page 12 of the article on Dewey's notionotion of experience the theme >> of experience AS >> "life overcomes and transforms factors of opposition to achieve higher >> significance. Harmony and equilibrium are the resullts not of mechanical >> processes but of RHYTHMIC resolution of tension. The rhythmic ALTERNATION >> within the live creature BETWEEN unity and disunity becomes CONSCIOUS in >> humans. Emotion signifies BREAKS in experience which are then resolved >> through reflective action" >> >> I thought this may be a way in to *start* the conversational dialogue >> with >> perezhivanie. >> >> Larry >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Michael, Mike: >>> One more fragment on the definition of sentipensante: >>> >>> Sentipensante pedagogy offers a transformative vision of education that >>> emphasizes the harmonic, complementary relationship between the sentir of >>> intuition and the pensar of intellect and scholarship; between teaching >>> and >>> learning; between formal knowledge and wisdom; and between Western and >>> non-Western ways of knowing. >>> >>> Seems to have some family resemblance to this theme of experience >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Mike, >>>> Thanks for this. >>>> Stanford Pub is a wonderful resource. I seem to download an author >>>> approximately once a month. For $10 you support them and get the >>>> articles >>>> sent in a PDF format. >>>> >>>> Michael , here is a link [in Spanish] to a youtube video of Orlando >>>> Fals-Borda discussing his understanding of experience from the heart. >>>> If you have any articles in English which you can share, this seems to >>>> be >>>> exploring experience within "felt awareness". >>>> Seems to be a fascinating expansion of the understanding of experience. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Michael and Mike >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LbJWqetRuMo<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJWqetRuMo> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks Larry. Viva la differencia. Here is a quick summary of Dewey on >>>>> experience. Note that his ideas are considered unusual by the author. >>>>> That >>>>> Stanford pub seems very useful. >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/dewey-aesthetics/#**HavExp<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dewey-aesthetics/#HavExp> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Michael, >>>>>> I also found this site for Orlando Fals Borda. >>>>>> http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/**falsborda.htm<http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm> >>>>>> If it is off topic please ignore. However, it is where my curiosity >>>>>> was >>>>>> called or invited. >>>>>> >>>>>> Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Glassman, Michael < >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> glassman.13@osu.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Perhaps another avenue to explore might be Ortega y >>>>>>> Gasset's ideas on >>>>>>> experience (which is probably in some ways reflective of Dewey) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> which was >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda in the concept of vivencia - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> which is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> very compelling - and became an important part of Fals-Borda's >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> conception >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> of Participatory Action Research. This might then tie back to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> earlier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> issue on PAR. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> ______________________________**__________ >>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> behalf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:28 PM >>>>>>> To: Beth Ferholt >>>>>>> Cc: Galina Zuckerman; John Shotter; Boris Meshcheryakov; eXtended >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mind, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Culture, Activity; James Wertsch; Alexander Asmolov >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Beth-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I ask, firstly, because there appear quite clear overlaps as you and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Monica >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> have been exploring. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, we have two submissions to MCA on perezhivanie that are >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> very >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> focused on Russian authors. Over and above competing >>>>>>> exegeses of the ideas of Vygotsky, Puyzerei, etc., it seems important >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> we figure out ways to explore different ways of thinking about the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> general >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> category of "experience" that will be >>>>>>> productive of new empirical and theoretical investigation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Monica and I have just started using the two concepts in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> conjunction, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> we write about the relation between play and learning and Dewey's >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ideas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the relation between art and science in Art and Experience. I am >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> very >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> interested in any ref. you find as I have found none yet. Can I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ask why >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ask now? Beth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone written on uses of the term perezhivanie as used in the >>>>>>>>> cultural >>>>>>>>> historical tradition and Dewey's concept of experience? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> references? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> mike >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Beth Ferholt >>>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>>> School of Education >>>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York >>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue >>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu >>>>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205 >>>>>>>> Fax: (718) 951-4816 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>>>> _____ >>>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>>> _____ >>>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>> _____ >>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > http://ucsd.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> > > > ______________________________**____________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca