RE: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]

[Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>]

If you allow, I guess for Marxist worldview, it is necessary an actual advance in material conditions of a nation in order to collectively do deeper social transformations... Maybe not in a positivist evolutionary fashion ("order and progress" as you can read in our Brazilian Flag)... But some kind of dialectic between evolution and evolution would be necessary... A totally miserable, sick and weak people can not do socialist revolutionary war, nor any other type of deep social transformations, even within the "peace" of bourgeois law and order.  Achilles... 
> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:03:20 -0700
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]
> To: ablunden@mira.net
> CC: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> 
> I am perfectly ready to believe that it was not lenin who said that.
> Whoever it was Peter was urging us to consider as a key idea. I did not
> like the idea. It has deadly consequences when isolated in that fashion.
> 
> mike
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> 
> > Don't be quick to condemn, Mike. I searched Lenins CW at marxists.org and
> > there is no record of Lenin having said that or anything vaguely similar.
> > In my experience, at least 90% of the quotes imputed to Marx or other
> > Marxists turn out to be either outright hoaxes or urban myths.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > mike cole wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with a lot of what you said, Peter. American citizenry is not,
> >> yet,
> >> in such
> >> a situation. Although the outpouring of support for the woman who dared to
> >> stand up for reproductive rights in Texas provided such an experience for
> >> many and has
> >> engaged many beyond.
> >>
> >> I do not agree with Lenin, however, that anger is the root of ALL wisdom.
> >> What a dim view of the human experience.
> >>
> >> mike
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] <
> >> pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear Brazilian colleagues,
> >>>
> >>> I find myself in envy of your situation. The struggle to create a better
> >>> life for working-class and middle-class families in the US has been
> >>> frustrating and demoralizing these past few years. Directly and through
> >>> their political representatives, the capitalists have done severe damage
> >>> to
> >>> unions and their efforts to organize workers, and the community activists
> >>> and union activists I'm involved with are worn out and exasperated from
> >>> many defeats. So the news of a mass outpouring of people onto the streets
> >>> of Brazil, and the possibility of truly progressive social change in your
> >>> country, comes as welcome and uplifting news to those of us suffering in
> >>> the "belly of the beast".
> >>>
> >>> For purely selfish reasons, I'm sorry that the events of the past few
> >>> weeks
> >>> did not occur last year--when I was visiting Brazil and lecturing at the
> >>> University of Sao Paulo. It's been a long time since I had the
> >>> opportunity
> >>> in my own country to participate in mass demonstrations where the power
> >>> and
> >>> strength of the people becomes a palpable and conscious experience. The
> >>> shared sense that the social order could be changed by our mass action is
> >>> an exhilarating feeling! I remember thinking that the feeling is fragile,
> >>> however, because it arose spontaneously and there was no understanding or
> >>> plan for establishing the conditions for its continuation. Thus, the
> >>> experience of <people power> was always episodic rather than sustained.
> >>> In
> >>> countries where socialism has already been achieved, however, such as
> >>> Cuba,
> >>> it's a different story, of course: the people are able to deliberately
> >>> experience their own power simply by summoning to action their mass
> >>> organizations such as the Federation of Cuban Women and the Committees
> >>> for
> >>> the Defense of the Revolution, which can mobilize 95% of the population
> >>> on
> >>> short notice.
> >>>
> >>> The events transpiring in Brazil were not consciously planned, but
> >>> instead
> >>> arose from an outpouring of emotion. (Lenin wrote that "anger is the root
> >>> of all wisdom"). It seems to me that to sustain what has begun--to
> >>> preserve
> >>> and nurture people's sense of their own power--is going to require a
> >>> conscious approach from here onward. It will be necessary to identify the
> >>> material obstacles to realizing people's unity, and to develop concrete
> >>> plans for overcoming those obstacles, whether they be ideological,
> >>> theoretical, political, economic, technical, linguistic, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I cherish the reports of events in Brazil that have been shared on this
> >>> listserve. I appreciate knowing what is happening through the lenses of
> >>> your personal and professional perspectives.  I also appreciate the
> >>> difficulty you must be having trying to reconcile the emotional and the
> >>> rational sides of these events, particularly since the events are still
> >>> in
> >>> their infancy. As developments allow, please keep us appraised of your
> >>> progress. Your achievements are heartwarming to those of us in need of
> >>> such
> >>> news.
> >>>
> >>> In solidarity (and with best wishes),
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> >>> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Internationally working. I believe and hope. :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu
> >>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>>> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:53:04 -0600
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Achilles - both you're welcome, and truly there is nothing to apologize
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> for.  clarity of communication through the internet is daunting.  and,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> yes,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> again, here's working for greater transformations in Brazil.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> phillip
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ______________________________**__________
> >>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Behalf Of Achilles Delari Junior [achilles_delari@hotmail.com]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:56 PM
> >>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Philip, thank you very much. I sincerely believe that me and you are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> talking maybe not about the same things, but with a more important and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> deep
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> agreement in the essential ethical values. Because this, please accept
> >>>> my
> >>>> apologizes because my aggressive way to talk,  and my real respect in
> >>>> relation to your patience and solidarity inside your critical
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> thinking... I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> guess after some time all we will can understand better what is going
> >>>> on,
> >>>> in the eye of the hurricane is not so easy. But you give us some
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> important
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> insights - I will reflect about all your tips. Sincerely, my best wishes
> >>>> for you and all people that have the dignity for don't leave another
> >>>> strange person talking alone, only because different forms of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> disagreement
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> epistemological, ethical or political. This is an actual aptitude of an
> >>>> international scholar. Thank you. I hope to see you soon. Achilles.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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