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Hi Huw, You might want to look at Damasio's work a little. Of course I don't agree with him completely but he and Kaiser are doing some interesting work with brain imaging and education. Here is one sample from 9 years ago. http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/learning/learning003a.html Robert On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote: > On 24 July 2013 16:45, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 24 July 2013 16:35, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Huw, > >> > >> Thanks for the indications. Any "recent" (10 years or so) research > >> dealing with the data made available by the knew scan technologies? > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Wagner > >> > >> > > Nothing that I've come across. I haven't expected to find anything > > though, so haven't looked with any diligence. > > > > Christine had some thoughts on biological developments a while back. > > > > *ANY* studies on genetic process are of merit here, I believe. it doesn't > > have to be the brain. Note that this is looking at "natural phenomena" > > rather than artificial phenomena alone. > > > > Best, > > Huw > > > > > > > > > > Dynamic Systems Theory may be worth exploring -- I haven't looked yet. > > Travieso, Ch. 6, The Cambridge Handbook of Socialcultural Psychology, (Eds) > Valsiner & Rosa. > > Best, > Huw > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > On 24 July 2013 16:23, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thanks Ulvi, > >> >> > >> >> Any work you recommend for beginner's and or a must have/read in the > >> >> library? > >> >> > >> >> I am trying to get a broader sense of human development using > Vygotsky > >> >> as core and searching for recent readings in different fields like > >> >> Philosophy (Ilyenkov) and History (People's history of the world by > >> >> Chris Harman), But still lacking a clue on "phylogeny" and > >> >> neuroscience. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Wertsch, Vygotsky and the formation of mind -- genetic domains. > >> > Waddington, Genetic Assimilation. > >> > Batson, genetic/ecological processes. > >> > > >> > The recent documents from Luria cover some "basics" which are > typically > >> > missed in this line of research. Luria's research is predominantly > >> > functional (of a v. high calibre). It seems to be dialectic in an > >> Engels > >> > kind of way. But the functional explanations stand up for themselves. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Huw > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Wagner > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > As far as I know, there is a strong neuroscience in Russia in the > >> line of > >> >> > Alexander Romanovitch's work, Homskaya and his many other students > >> >> > continued his work a lot. > >> >> > Ulvi > >> >> > > >> >> > 2013/7/24 Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello Huw, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our > >> research > >> >> >> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our > >> research > >> >> >> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from > >> 1930... > >> >> >> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year > (if I > >> >> >> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between > >> >> >> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about > >> >> >> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian > >> >> >> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? > And > >> >> >> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following > >> >> >> these guidelines? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Wagner > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd < > >> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit < > >> wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Hello Larry, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things > >> point out > >> >> >> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in > >> 1930 > >> >> >> >> (if my memory is not wrong) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Wagner > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept > of > >> >> >> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid > >> >> >> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex > >> >> >> > relationships that exist." > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most > >> >> difficult > >> >> >> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems." > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Huw > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss < > >> lpscholar2@gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Ulvi, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Within the concept *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero > change. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose > central > >> >> >> conceptual > >> >> >> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold or > to > >> >> model.* > >> >> >> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and > *theory* > >> and > >> >> >> >> *neural* > >> >> >> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as > change, > >> >> >> >> > transformation and metamorphosis. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including > >> Vygotsky > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University. > >> >> >> >> > If interested I could say more. > >> >> >> >> > Larry > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil < > >> ulvi.icil@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, > >> Mind, > >> >> Brain > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> Education. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> He is described as: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian > >> theories in > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> number > >> >> >> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive > >> >> change. > >> >> >> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation > of > >> >> >> >> information > >> >> >> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the > >> >> >> environmental > >> >> >> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of > >> >> development. > >> >> >> To > >> >> >> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions > >> from > >> >> Lev > >> >> >> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]< > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12 > >> >> >> >> >> >that > >> >> >> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new > findings > >> in > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> field > >> >> >> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of > >> >> >> education. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Ulvi > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on > this > >> >> list > >> >> >> can > >> >> >> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up. > >> >> >> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on > >> >> neuroscience, > >> >> >> but > >> >> >> >> in: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Barsalou, L. W. (1992) “Cognitive Psychology. An Overview > >> for > >> >> >> >> Cognitive > >> >> >> >> >> > Scientists,” Hillsdale NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > where he has a chapter on education, he characterises > >> education > >> >> as: > >> >> >> >> >> > “teachers provide information that students incorporate > into > >> >> >> existing > >> >> >> >> >> > knowledge” - in other words, not only does he use "folk > >> >> >> psychology" in > >> >> >> >> >> his > >> >> >> >> >> > grasp of the subtlties of education, but he seems to be > >> unaware > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> >> >> > antiquated "theory" of teaching and learning has been > >> subject to > >> >> >> any > >> >> >> >> >> > critique over the past 100 years. A classic illustration > of > >> the > >> >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> >> >> > that Greg has been raising. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Andy > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Ulvi İçil wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear all, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I would like to know some outstanding scholar names in > the > >> >> field > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> >> >> educational neuroscience, working in the line of > >> sociocultural > >> >> >> >> theory. > >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks. > >> >> >> >> >> >> Ulvi > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------ > >> >> >> >> >> > *Andy Blunden* > >> >> >> >> >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > >> >> >> >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > >> >> >> >> >> > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden< > >> >> >> >> >> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > -- *Robert Lake Ed.D. *Associate Professor Social Foundations of Education Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading Georgia Southern University P. 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