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" One definite perk for instuctors: the software does most of the grading for them." Looks like the machine has been there a long time, Carol. Huw On 30 July 2013 17:37, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote: > We already have young people who only know how to talk to people over their > social media and not those next to them. Now we don't have the teachers > mediating ethics and values in their relationships with their learners. > Perhaps the new generation will only be able to mediate their relationships > of every kind through machines - are those relationships with people going > to survive this assault. > > (The epistemology of learning as linear is a huge problem, but its effects > on relationships that are more dangerous.) > > Carol > > On 30 July 2013 15:26, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > This just came out: > > > > > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-big-data-taking-teachers-out-lecturing-business > > > > > > Wagner > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:30 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > > > And lots of people marvel at the progress, Helena. > > > bait and switch.... and pay taxes like Apple! > > > :-) > > > mike > > > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Helena Worthen < > > helenaworthen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Hello -- the letter from Meister is really worth reading. It explains > > why > > >> MOOCs need the CSU system (and other public higher education > > connections) > > >> more than CSU needs MOOCs. > > >> > > >> Although short-term, the linkup with Coursera to offer MOOCs in > various > > >> disciplines appears to solve the immediate problem of how to expand > > access > > >> to already crowded, booked-up, high-tuition face to face classrooms, > it > > >> solves a different problem for Coursera and other big MOOC companies. > > >> > > >> That problem is, long-term ‹ and this is an important problem, since > > >> Coursera, like the other MOOC companies, is a private company, like > > >> Facebook, LinkedIn, Yahoo, Amazon, etc. -- how to make money. Right > now > > >> MOOCs are free, or at least some are free. How can they figure out how > > >> much to charge? How much are they "worth" --? > > >> > > >> The simplest way to figure that out would be to hook up with a state > > >> university and say, "Our class is worth three credits at San Jose > State, > > >> and tuition at San Jose State for three credits is $2,400, so our > class > > >> should cost $2,400." But it can get much, much more fine-grained > than > > >> that, since all kinds of personal information gets collected when > > someone > > >> enrolls in a class. > > >> > > >> Bottom line- without the hookup to established institutions, all the > > MOOCs > > >> offer is celebrity teachers doing what are essentially TV shows or > > >> audiotape classes (you may have noticed that the price on Great > > >> Teacher-type audio tapes have crashed from $299 to less than $100 > > >> recently). So no matter how celebrated a professor is, it's the hookup > > to > > >> an institution that makes it possible to establish market value. And > > make > > >> huge money in the long run. > > >> > > >> Which is basically gutting the public education system and > transferring > > >> its authority to exchange credits for tuition to a private company. > > >> > > >> Another argument for free public higher education -- the only way that > > >> public education can compete against a for-profit system. > > >> > > >> > > >> Helena > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 5/11/13 1:30 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >The following letter from the UC faculty association president seems > > worth > > >> >distributing. Fraught futures. > > >> >mike > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >CUCFA President Meister's Open Letter to Coursera Founder Daphne > Koller > > >> > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php > > >> > > > >> >...... > > >> > > >> > > >> >http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.ph< > > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php> > > >> >__________________________________________ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > __________________________________________ > > > _____ > > > xmca mailing list > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > > > -- > Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin) > Developmental psycholinguist > Academic, Researcher, and Editor *EditLab.net* > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa > >