Re: [xmca] Al Andalus as a model for *{ }*

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Hi Christine
When you mention you followed the Deleuze thread on "spaces" and "places"
I'm wondering if you have a particular article that was in*formative.  I've
tried to read Deleuze directly and it currently is outside my ZPD.
However, others who have been inspired by his work I do find in*formative in
my trying to understand the need for "containers" [holding environments] or
"sedimentations" as necessary for development. Judith Butler's recognition
that the process of subjectification is simultaneously the process of
developing a sense of being a subject.

Larry





On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, christine schweighart <
schweighartgate@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear Larry,
>  Thanks for expanding how you share this interest. When you mention 'adding
> threads'  there are the mechanics of the discussion board - where I don't
> intend to start threads- but it keeps happening with my postings), and then
> there are the tangents I am bringing into my postings. I was prompted by my
> surprise and pleasure that you were finding 'place' for inclusionality.
> Then also Tony's contribution of Antonio Machado's verse - in re-reading
> this I made a completely different to understanding the 'power' of the last
> line - the 'hidden' transformation it was very hopeful . Not bleak 'washing
> away' of tracks.  It had not been translated well . Looking and then
> seeing eddying patterns, signifies that what was achieved went beyond
> walking even - transformation is possible , the signification is of a
> discovery that not only did you know how to go in the world ( and could and
> help others ) but you were
>  able to swim when you thought you had to walk. Quite liberating
> possibility out of another frame of thinking. Maybe my translation is
> rubbish too - but the  new reading was a bit of a revelation!  And very
> Freire! All in one short verse.However, it still misses that this arises in
> social relations - where the 'swimming' is motivated by action for others
> then becomes apparent or helpful  for oneself.  Strangely I think this could
> be being brought out in Volker's comment on another thread.  I find that
> xmca discussions go  amazingly  quickly or richly overlapping if not
> 'temporal' !
>
>  In this 'model' my surprise was that values and form of living  markedly
> al-andalus   actively respect  a value in one of your earlier posts " It is
> how we are "ethically" called by the
> other that in*forms whether we respond or turn away from the other's call "
>    is expressed and found  in social relations today in Andalusia  .  It is
> also in finding 'motive' or generating a need in ideal maybe.
>  So Tony's  "Sedimentation is the settling of culture into formations,"
> where
> "formation" (as in in*formation) is inseparably the material formation and
> the forming of it and the form in which it's formed."
>  Shows that well.  Though transformation is  maybe not as apparent as it
> might be?
>
> I haven't read ingold yet:)
> BTW
>  The discussion of immanence of senses I found also in Deleuze - and
> Guattari's interest in nomadism , was a thread I followed through a few
> months ago. So It is good to revisit these themes differently.
>  It was also unexpected that Action-research should come up again, I'm
> interested to know more of Michael's work in this.
> Thanks, Christine
>
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