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On "collaborative projects", Rod, in the way I use that concept, yes, almost everything is a collaborative project, it is just a matter of identifying who is collaborating for what and how. I take this concept not as a category of relations, but as a lens through which all relations may be viewed.
Andy Rod Parker-Rees wrote:
While I agree that 'tools' is useful as a superordinate category, the distinction between 'tools-for work', 'tools-for-convenience' (utensils, utvar) and 'tools-for-play' (Coleridge's 'play-withs' is a bit awkward but less limited than 'toys') is also important in some contexts. I'm sure the distinctions could proliferate further and that the distinctions would have their uses in particular circumstances. Could a chat over coffee be described as a collaborative project? In which case utensils might be more appropriate than tools to describe the stuff with which the coffee is prepared and the stuff on which people sit while drinking it (and which may significantly afford opportunities for such interactions) COULD be called tools but might better be described as furniture. I suspect that the use of 'tools' to describe all mediating artefacts has roots in a particular form of modernism but I am well out of my depth here! All the best, Rod -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald Sent: 19 October 2010 13:39 To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] Tom Toolery To David I am very concerned about the need to make a decision to require/invent a new term, specifically "utensils". What's wrong with using the notion of tools and then putting them in the context in which they are used? Proliferating terms means they start to grow arms and legs and maybe violate the axioms of one's theory. "Tools" has an impeccable ancestry. In a collaborative project, what virtue would there be using "utensils" rather than "tools"? Larry, sorry for interrupting your conversation. I just left too much time to reply to David. Carol On 19 October 2010 14:22, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu> wrote:I have to admit, you folks are stirring up my inner Sapir-Whorf .....fascinating! On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:20 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.comwrote:Nothing, Andy. That's why I want to oppose the ideal to the real, and notto the material. ARTEFACT: Tool-artefact Utensil-artefact (mass production) (personal consumption) SIGN Signal-sign Symbol-sign (thing-thing) (meaning-meaning)] MATERIALITY Reality Ideality (percepts) (concepts) David Kellogg Seoul National University of Education --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> Subject: Re: [xmca] Tom Toolery To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:02 PM What would be an example of something which is ideal but not alsomaterial,David? andy David Kellogg wrote: ...It seems to me that if we follow Steve and Ilyenkov, and we see problemafter problem as a matter of establishing the interaction of "ideal" and "material", we will need some kind of super-category for the indivisible whole which both ideal and material make up. Otherwise we really do fall into the worst kind of Cartesian dualism. ..._______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-- *Robert Lake Ed.D. *Assistant Professor Social Foundations of Education Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading Georgia Southern University P. O. Box 8144 Phone: (912) 478-5125 Fax: (912) 478-5382 Statesboro, GA 30460 *Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and education is its midwife.* *-*John Dewey. __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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