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Dear Helen, I agree with you I felt that the perezhivanie was a shared lived experience, intense, dramatic!! Like you I connected to the child in different ways. I don't have the experience of being a conductor so it certainly would bring a different interpretation and feeling... it's the affection we also have towards music, and how this child has that sensibility towards music... I think video enables us to re-lived emotions, feelings and these are sensed in different ways... I will be a different perezhivanie if we lived this experience in that room with the child, so when researching I do feel we leave with out participants their perezhivanie... more to talk here at Monash... Regards, Gloria Quinones . 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Re: New set of Luria articles (Natalia Gajdamaschko) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:21:54 +1100 > From: Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAGzL+F+t=kmFf=urBhNhDVMmoOV8M62HJXZ9G44rEZRsdO03Sw@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi again, > > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented "That's > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched > it. > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences and > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as > you > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with music, > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping things, > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with > you > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie? > > Cheers, > Helen > > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > wrote: > > > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could > not > > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the > > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > > > > Cheers, > > Helen > > > > > > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. Watch > >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > conductor. > >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > >> line/critical > >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > >> > >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > >> > >> Carol > >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > >> > >> > >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > >> Carol's motto. > >> > >> *Visiting Lecturer > >> Wits School of Education > >> Research Fellow* > >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > >> * > >> __________________________________________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Helen Grimmett > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > Faculty of Education > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Helen Grimmett > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > Faculty of Education > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:23:34 -0700 > From: Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAOp+Px_M2yjUmxsR2UTrO9vu-WkxwYi=aRv9rT=2Oqc7z_GOWA@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Helen, > > What a delightful "capturing" of a young child by a cultural artifact. > Here's what I thought about as I watched this boy's performance. > > I am an amateur dancer here in San Diego, and teach a beginning performance > team along with my wife. One of our team members moves in ways similar to > this boy, except that, being 28 and not 3, he suffers more than enjoys what > is going on. I am not a classical musician, but I would venture to say > that > this young conductor blended a mastery all his own (and yet still authentic > by professional standards) with "auxiliary" movements that are more > personal/particular (including, of course, the nose picking :) A similar > thing happens with our team member --he has mastered certain of the > locomotive requirements of the salsa routine we're currently practicing, > but > seemingly inevitably, all manner of auxiliary movements that fall outside > the aesthetic of the routine come into play as well. He tries --no, he > struggles-- visibly to subdue these movements, but it is difficult for him. > In my role as choreographer and team-lead (as well as member of LCHC), I > feel the tension of simultaneously responding to the expectations of the > rest of the team in terms of helping them to move along and improve on more > and more facets of the routine, and my desire to focus on this one team > member to see what kinds of interaction arrangements can help him get where > he wants to go. In his case, or rather in the dance "scene", his auxiliary > movements are internalized as deficiency and not personal/particular > accents. > > Coming back to our young conductor, it seems to me (from the outside, since > classical music is not my thing) that a lot of conductors that are > typically > called "geniuses" are granted that special social gift of "quirkiness" as > opposed to deficiency, because the auxiliary movements they retain in their > professional conducting are "the mark" of genius. They, and the talented > child we're talking about here, are captured by very different social > arrangements (of which we are a constitutive part) than my quirky team > member. > > I assume this has to do as much with our perezhivanie as theirs, but which > "theirs" we're talking about forces me to think about the difference > between > expansive as opposed to "collapsive" development. Does this make sense? > > Ivan > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett > <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented "That's > > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by > > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched > > it. > > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been > > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences and > > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > > > > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd > > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as > > you > > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with > music, > > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping things, > > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with > > you > > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie? > > > > Cheers, > > Helen > > > > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > > wrote: > > > > > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could > > not > > > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the > > > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. > Watch > > >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > > >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > > conductor. > > >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > > >> line/critical > > >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > > >> > > >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > > >> > > >> Carol > > >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > > >> Carol's motto. > > >> > > >> *Visiting Lecturer > > >> Wits School of Education > > >> Research Fellow* > > >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > > >> * > > >> __________________________________________ > > >> _____ > > >> xmca mailing list > > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Helen Grimmett > > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > > Faculty of Education > > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Helen Grimmett > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > Faculty of Education > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:28:22 -0700 > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAHCnM0Dn5SOTiJ4F-n6FDn3=17P77iGUNeE6PuMMPtUKMRJPpQ@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Great example to think with about a lot, in that episode, Carol, Thanks. > > It put me in mind of the following interesting scholar, who talks about the > the origins of > language and its relations to art quite generally and music quite > specifically. > > http://ellendissanayake.com/publications/ > . > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu> wrote: > > > Hello Helen, > > > > What a delightful "capturing" of a young child by a cultural artifact. > > Here's what I thought about as I watched this boy's performance. > > > > I am an amateur dancer here in San Diego, and teach a beginning > performance > > team along with my wife. One of our team members moves in ways similar > to > > this boy, except that, being 28 and not 3, he suffers more than enjoys > what > > is going on. I am not a classical musician, but I would venture to say > > that > > this young conductor blended a mastery all his own (and yet still > authentic > > by professional standards) with "auxiliary" movements that are more > > personal/particular (including, of course, the nose picking :) A similar > > thing happens with our team member --he has mastered certain of the > > locomotive requirements of the salsa routine we're currently practicing, > > but > > seemingly inevitably, all manner of auxiliary movements that fall outside > > the aesthetic of the routine come into play as well. He tries --no, he > > struggles-- visibly to subdue these movements, but it is difficult for > him. > > In my role as choreographer and team-lead (as well as member of LCHC), I > > feel the tension of simultaneously responding to the expectations of the > > rest of the team in terms of helping them to move along and improve on > more > > and more facets of the routine, and my desire to focus on this one team > > member to see what kinds of interaction arrangements can help him get > where > > he wants to go. In his case, or rather in the dance "scene", his > auxiliary > > movements are internalized as deficiency and not personal/particular > > accents. > > > > Coming back to our young conductor, it seems to me (from the outside, > since > > classical music is not my thing) that a lot of conductors that are > > typically > > called "geniuses" are granted that special social gift of "quirkiness" as > > opposed to deficiency, because the auxiliary movements they retain in > their > > professional conducting are "the mark" of genius. They, and the talented > > child we're talking about here, are captured by very different social > > arrangements (of which we are a constitutive part) than my quirky team > > member. > > > > I assume this has to do as much with our perezhivanie as theirs, but > which > > "theirs" we're talking about forces me to think about the difference > > between > > expansive as opposed to "collapsive" development. Does this make sense? > > > > Ivan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett > > <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote: > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented > "That's > > > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant > by > > > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > > > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we > watched > > > it. > > > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > > > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > > > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never > been > > > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences > and > > > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > > > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > > > > > > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? > I'd > > > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) > as > > > you > > > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with > > music, > > > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping > things, > > > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates > with > > > you > > > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by > perezhivanie? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Helen > > > > > > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I > could > > > not > > > > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in > the > > > > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. > > Watch > > > >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > > > >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > > > conductor. > > > >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > > > >> line/critical > > > >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > > > >> > > > >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > > > >> > > > >> Carol > > > >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > > > >> Carol's motto. > > > >> > > > >> *Visiting Lecturer > > > >> Wits School of Education > > > >> Research Fellow* > > > >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > > > >> * > > > >> __________________________________________ > > > >> _____ > > > >> xmca mailing list > > > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Helen Grimmett > > > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > > > Faculty of Education > > > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Helen Grimmett > > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > > Faculty of Education > > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > > __________________________________________ > > > _____ > > > xmca mailing list > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:59:14 -0700 > From: Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: <0767D15E-8C8F-47C2-BF5B-391B38FF5592@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching > the boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am > very fond of. I found myself reading his motions and listening to the > music through his ears and body, especially places where he was > anticipating changes - for example, the way he would increase the > agitation of the baton and his arms as the music went from soft to > loud in some of the great crescendo moments, seeming to push the music > forward and to greater heights with his own determination and > enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to, appreciate and truly feel > music - and of the power of anticipation. > > - Steve > > > On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented > > "That's > > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you > > meant by > > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we > > watched it. > > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never > > been > > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own > > experiences and > > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > > > > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? > > I'd > > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional > > experience) as you > > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with > > music, > > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping > > things, > > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates > > with you > > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by > > perezhivanie? > > > > Cheers, > > Helen > > > > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > > wrote: > > > >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I > >> could not > >> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in > >> the > >> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Helen > >> > >> > >> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. > >>> Watch > >>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > >>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > >>> conductor. > >>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > >>> line/critical > >>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > >>> > >>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > >>> > >>> Carol > >>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > >>> Carol's motto. > >>> > >>> *Visiting Lecturer > >>> Wits School of Education > >>> Research Fellow* > >>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > >>> * > >>> __________________________________________ > >>> _____ > >>> xmca mailing list > >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Helen Grimmett > >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate > >> Faculty of Education > >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Helen Grimmett > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > Faculty of Education > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:30:19 +0200 > From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAGVMwbXfE0bqcBSkcxC9fQp39mkJjFzGyFQtWBwVD6GhtPW1Ww@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yes, Steve, that's exactly what he was doing, just like a conductor, and he > is THREE! I have to say I have never sent a "topic" out and got so many > responses. > Carol > > On 25 October 2011 12:59, Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com> wrote: > > > My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching the > > boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am very fond > of. > > I found myself reading his motions and listening to the music through > his > > ears and body, especially places where he was anticipating changes - for > > example, the way he would increase the agitation of the baton and his > arms > > as the music went from soft to loud in some of the great crescendo > moments, > > seeming to push the music forward and to greater heights with his own > > determination and enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to, appreciate > and > > truly feel music - and of the power of anticipation. > > > > - Steve > > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote: > > > > Hi again, > >> > >> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented > "That's > >> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by > >> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > >> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched > >> it. > >> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > >> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > >> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been > >> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences > and > >> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > >> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > >> > >> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd > >> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as > >> you > >> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with > >> music, > >> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping > things, > >> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with > >> you > >> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Helen > >> > >> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could > >>> not > >>> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the > >>> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Helen > >>> > >>> > >>> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. > Watch > >>>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > >>>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > >>>> conductor. > >>>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > >>>> line/critical > >>>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > >>>> > >>>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > >>>> > >>>> Carol > >>>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/**268945< > http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > >>>> Carol's motto. > >>>> > >>>> *Visiting Lecturer > >>>> Wits School of Education > >>>> Research Fellow* > >>>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > >>>> * > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > >>>> _____ > >>>> xmca mailing list > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Helen Grimmett > >>> PhD Student, Teaching Associate > >>> Faculty of Education > >>> Monash University, Peninsula Campus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Helen Grimmett > >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate > >> Faculty of Education > >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus > >> ______________________________**____________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >> > > > > ______________________________**____________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > > > > -- > Be mindful. Regret nothing. > Carol's motto. > > *Visiting Lecturer > Wits School of Education > Research Fellow* > *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > * > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:04:54 -0700 > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAHCnM0DiXCCqRS1AJgKyc3KahN-6MQ4tBMsHsGUWH6HCgQndgw@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Its those same kinds of observations that evoke the idea of perezhivanie, I > suspect, > Steve. > mike > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Yes, Steve, that's exactly what he was doing, just like a conductor, and > he > > is THREE! I have to say I have never sent a "topic" out and got so many > > responses. > > Carol > > > > On 25 October 2011 12:59, Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com> wrote: > > > > > My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching > the > > > boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am very > fond > > of. > > > I found myself reading his motions and listening to the music through > > his > > > ears and body, especially places where he was anticipating changes - > for > > > example, the way he would increase the agitation of the baton and his > > arms > > > as the music went from soft to loud in some of the great crescendo > > moments, > > > seeming to push the music forward and to greater heights with his own > > > determination and enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to, > appreciate > > and > > > truly feel music - and of the power of anticipation. > > > > > > - Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote: > > > > > > Hi again, > > >> > > >> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented > > "That's > > >> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant > by > > >> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the > > >> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we > watched > > >> it. > > >> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique > > >> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be > > >> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never > been > > >> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences > > and > > >> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally > > >> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations. > > >> > > >> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? > I'd > > >> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) > as > > >> you > > >> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with > > >> music, > > >> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping > > things, > > >> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates > with > > >> you > > >> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by > perezhivanie? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Helen > > >> > > >> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I > could > > >>> not > > >>> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in > the > > >>> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Helen > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. > > Watch > > >>>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but > > >>>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a > > >>>> conductor. > > >>>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental > > >>>> line/critical > > >>>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious. > > >>>> > > >>>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours. > > >>>> > > >>>> Carol > > >>>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/**268945< > > http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Be mindful. Regret nothing. > > >>>> Carol's motto. > > >>>> > > >>>> *Visiting Lecturer > > >>>> Wits School of Education > > >>>> Research Fellow* > > >>>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > > >>>> * > > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > > >>>> _____ > > >>>> xmca mailing list > > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Helen Grimmett > > >>> PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > >>> Faculty of Education > > >>> Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Helen Grimmett > > >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate > > >> Faculty of Education > > >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus > > >> ______________________________**____________ > > >> _____ > > >> xmca mailing list > > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________**____________ > > > _____ > > > xmca mailing list > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Be mindful. Regret nothing. > > Carol's motto. > > > > *Visiting Lecturer > > Wits School of Education > > Research Fellow* > > *Linguistics Dept: Unisa > > * > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:22:57 -0700 > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Cc: Elena Bodrova <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, Boris Meshcheryakov > <borlogic@gmail.com> > Message-ID: > <CAHCnM0B=Pxmghg3fF=yVpRf8qjVLtZcLWL2=E1PyKN58ZpPoLQ@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a > couple of glitches, but there may be materials > of interest here that go back a pretty long way. > > fyi > > mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:25:54 -0200 > From: Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CAMS1o3EfdaUYNPp2iuAhNZ2OJk0kdpaPQZReZm0XwF=PnQmNEg@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thank you very much! This will surely help > > Wagner Luiz Schmit > > 2011/10/25 mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > > > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by > > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into > > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a > > couple of glitches, but there may be materials > > of interest here that go back a pretty long way. > > > > fyi > > > > mike > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:33:27 +0300 > From: ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: > <CABjfC8KavvzenxCUON=KcKijn1K6LriNDZ+5s5FPCX83nByWTw@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Great ! > > Thanks > > Ulvi > > > > > 2011/10/25 mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > > > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by > > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into > > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a > > couple of glitches, but there may be materials > > of interest here that go back a pretty long way. > > > > fyi > > > > mike > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:37:15 +1100 > From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> > Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Message-ID: <4EA6BB8B.9000000@mira.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Great archive, Mike. Well done to your team. > I have adjusted the link at > http://www.marxists.org/archive/luria/index.htm to point to that very > rich archive of articles. > > Andy > > mike cole wrote: > > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by > > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into > > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a > > couple of glitches, but there may be materials > > of interest here that go back a pretty long way. > > > > fyi > > > > mike > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1 > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:33:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca> > Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Cc: Elena Bodrova <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, Boris Meshcheryakov > <borlogic@gmail.com> > Message-ID: > <964428204.14000.1319564017472.JavaMail.root@jaguar9.sfu.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thank you so much, Mike! > Just yesterday in my class I promised to provide a student with a set of > article by Luria and -- a miracle, you've done it for us! Much > appreciated! > Cheers, > Natalia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > Cc: "Elena Bodrova" <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, "Boris Meshcheryakov" < > borlogic@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22:57 AM > Subject: [xmca] New set of Luria articles > > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a > couple of glitches, but there may be materials > of interest here that go back a pretty long way. > > fyi > > mike > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > End of xmca Digest, Vol 77, Issue 23 > ************************************ > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca