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Andy mike cole wrote:
Now how do we make sense of that, Carol? :-) mikeOn Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, <carolmacdon@gmail.com <mailto:carolmacdon@gmail.com>> wrote:No Andy, "meaning" is principally a noun of long standing, ossified. There are loads of examples of noun/verb pairs. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> Sender: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:39:57 To: <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> Reply-To: ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience Yes, the use of "Thought" in lieu of "Thinking" and "Language" instead of "Speaking" is famous and widely recognised, but I have found that while noting this, people often stick to "meaning" as the attribute of a symbol rather than the gerund of an action verb. Andy mike cole wrote: > Not that the same "verbifying" can be found in "Thought and Language" > vs "Thinking and Speech." Kind of like Ivo's Dewey > and Dilthey...... > > Makes international discussion about perezhivanie/experience > an interesting exercise! > > mike > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote: > > Oh I see! > It has always amused me how George Lakoff in his list fundamental > human actions/relations which provide the foundation for language, > along with travelling, handling objects, containers, and spatial > position, he includes guns and war. I have taken this as > indicative of the nature of life in the land of the free. So in > this case I took "double-barrelled" to mean as in > "double-barrelled shot gun"! I had never thought of the cooper's > barrel in this context. > > And yes, the facility of English with its "ing" to turn a process > verb into a noun can be annoying, if you get my meaning, but the > English language is undergoing a movement in the reverse direction > in recent decades, with more and more action-nouns (like "impact") > being used as verbs. This seems to be a legacy of the culture in > which James and Dewey were philosophising. > > Andy > > mike cole wrote: > > A barrel, as used in this context, usually refers to a wooden or > metal tube/container that is "solid." It is unchanging over > significant periods of a human life span. > > Zaporozhets reminds us, somewhere, that as we are groping the > environment with bodies, the environment is groping us. And > given the "ing" in groping, its not a noun, its a process > occurring over > > time. > > Perhaps that is not useful. I have temporality on the brain, > so to speak. > > mike > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Andy Blunden > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote: > > I don't understand your allusion to temporality, Mike. > Andy > > mike cole wrote: > > Those are both terrifically useful passages to think with, > Larry and Andy. Thanks. I (so to speak) really > resonate to the > notion of rhythmicity and movement in the first > passage, and > the "doublebarrel" metaphor in the second. I think for the > latter that > barrel is perhaps unfortunate in so far as "two-way" > /temporality/ > is backgrounded. > > thanks! > mike > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Andy Blunden > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>>> wrote: > > What about this one Larry? > > ‘Experience’ is what James called a > double-barreled > word. Like > its congeners, life and history, it > includes /what/ > men do and > suffer, /what/ they strive for, love, > believe and > endure, and > /how/ men act and are acted upon, the ways > in which > they do and > suffer, desire and enjoy, see, believe, > imagine – > in short, > processes of /experiencing/. ... It is > ‘double-barreled’ in > that > it recognizes in its primary integrity no > division > between act > and material, subject and object, but > contains them > both in an > unanalyzed totality. ‘Thing’ and ‘thought’, as > James says > in the > same connection, are single-barreled; they > refer to > products > discriminated by reflection out of primary > experience (1929 > PJD: > 256-7). > > Andy > > > Larry Purss wrote: > > Mike, > > On page 12 of the article on Dewey's > notionotion of > experience the theme > of experience AS > "life overcomes and transforms factors of > opposition to > achieve higher > significance. Harmony and equilibrium are the > resullts > not of > mechanical > processes but of RHYTHMIC resolution of > tension. The > rhythmic > ALTERNATION > within the live creature BETWEEN unity and > disunity > becomes > CONSCIOUS in > humans. Emotion signifies BREAKS in > experience which > are then > resolved > through reflective action" > > I thought this may be a way in to *start* the > conversational > dialogue with > perezhivanie. > > Larry > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Larry Purss > <lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>>>> > > wrote: > > Michael, Mike: > One more fragment on the definition of > sentipensante: > > Sentipensante pedagogy offers a transformative > vision of > education that > emphasizes the harmonic, complementary > relationship > between the sentir of > intuition and the pensar of intellect and > scholarship; > between teaching and > learning; between formal knowledge and > wisdom; and > between > Western and > non-Western ways of knowing. > > Seems to have some family resemblance to > this theme of > experience > Larry > > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Purss > <lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>>>> wrote: > > Mike, > Thanks for this. > Stanford Pub is a wonderful resource. > I seem to > download an author > approximately once a month. For $10 you > support them > and get the articles > sent in a PDF format. > > Michael , here is a link [in Spanish] > to a youtube > video of Orlando > Fals-Borda discussing his understanding of > experience > from the heart. > If you have any articles in English > which you can > share, this seems to be > exploring experience within "felt > awareness". > Seems to be a fascinating expansion of the > understanding of experience. > > Thanks, Michael and Mike > > Larry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJWqetRuMo> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM, mike cole > <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>> wrote: > > > Thanks Larry. Viva la differencia. Here is > a quick > summary of Dewey on > experience. Note that his ideas > are considered > unusual by the author. > That > Stanford pub seems very useful. > mike > > > http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dewey-aesthetics/#HavExp > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, > Larry Purss > <lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>>>> > > wrote: > > > Michael, > I also found this site for Orlando > Fals Borda. > > http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm > If it is off topic please ignore. > However, it > is where my curiosity was > called or invited. > > Larry > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, > Glassman, > Michael < > > glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>> > > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>>> > > > wrote: > Perhaps > another avenue to > explore might be Ortega y > Gasset's > ideas on > experience (which is > probably in > some ways > reflective of Dewey) > > which was > > appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda > in the > concept of vivencia - > > which is > > very compelling - and became an > important > part of Fals-Borda's > > conception > > of Participatory Action Research. > This > might then tie back to the > > earlier > > issue on PAR. > > Michael > > ________________________________________ > From: > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>> > > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>> > > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>>> > > [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>> > > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>> > > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>>>] on > > > behalf > > of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>] > > Sent: Monday, February 18, > 2013 > 2:28 PM > To: Beth Ferholt > Cc: Galina Zuckerman; John > Shotter; Boris > Meshcheryakov; eXtended > > Mind, > > Culture, Activity; James Wertsch; > Alexander Asmolov > Subject: Re: [xmca] > Perezhivanie and > Dewey's concept of experience > > Thanks Beth-- > > I ask, firstly, because there > appear quite > clear overlaps as you and > > Monica > > have been exploring. > > Secondly, we have two > submissions > to MCA > on perezhivanie that are > > very > > focused on Russian authors. Over > and above > competing > exegeses of the ideas of > Vygotsky, > Puyzerei, etc., it seems > important > > that > > we figure out ways to explore > different > ways of thinking about the > > general > > category of "experience" that will be > productive of new > empirical and > theoretical investigation. > > mike > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at > 9:42 AM, Beth > Ferholt > <bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>> > <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>>>> > > > wrote: > > Monica and I have just started > using > the two concepts in > > conjunction, > > as > > we write about the relation > between > play and learning and > Dewey's > > ideas > > on > > the relation between art and > science > in Art and Experience. > I am > > very > > interested in any ref. you > find as I > have found none yet. Can I > > ask why > > you > > ask now? Beth > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 > at 6:09 > PM, mike > cole > <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>> > > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>> > > > wrote: > > Has anyone written on uses > of the > term perezhivanie > as used > in the > cultural > historical > tradition and > Dewey's > concept of experience? > > references? > > mike > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu 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