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On 17 March 2013 12:15, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > Robert, if I were to suggest that "mirror neurons" are a metaphyical > belief which have no more basis in existence than phlogiston or ether, > would that actually change anything? Have you ever been misled by the > mistaken observation of "mirror neuron" activity, or has observation of a > mirror neuron ever explained some otherwise inexplicable event? So far as I > know, leaving aside surgical intervention, neurons only react to other > neurons by direct electrochemical interaction. > Andy > > There's theoretical room for the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum, e.g. optics. I think Robert is referring to the whites of the eyes phenomena observed in monkey(?) brain scans. In this sense its ontological status is that one can draw a dotted line around a scan image etc and name it. As far as the autism line of reasoning goes, I guess its akin to the phenomena of blindness in children who have (unfortunately) have had a patch over their eye during particular neurological developments whereby they are later unable to see out of what looks like a perfectly functioning eye. I will leave it to Robert to speculate on the social genesis of its systemic relevance... Best, Huw > Robert Lake wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I am a relative newcomer to CHAT research, so this (mostly rhetorical) >> question is probably >> old hat to many of you. It concerns Holodynski's article as it may or may >> not relate to the notion of mirror neurons as described by Ramachandran. >> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_**ramachandran_the_neurons_that_** >> shaped_civilization.html<http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html> >> >> >> If I understand this correctly, in Holodynski's view, a caregiver mirrors >> back to the child, his or her own emotions through gesture and facial >> expressions. What if the child's emotions/expressions fall into the range >> of autism spectrum disorders? Can ZPD's be created that in turn help create >> and develop "empathy" neurons in us regardless of our age level? Are there >> some cultures that are more emotionally and perhaps empathically evolved? >> >> Thank-you MCA team and Professor Holodynski for this article. I think it >> represents the a key component for the future of cultural/historical >> research. >> >> Fascinated and curious, >> Robert Lake >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net<mailto: >> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote: >> >> The article for discussion is now available at: >> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/**Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.**pdf<http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.pdf> >> >> >> Andy >> >> mike cole wrote: >> >> We will make available Manfred Holodynski's article - The >> Internalization >> Theory of Emotions: A Cultural Historical Approach to the >> Development of Emotions - available >> for discussion as soon as possible. Then let the discussion begin! >> >> mike >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> >> >> -- ------------------------------**------------------------------ >> **------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/ >> **> >> >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts >> http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> >> >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Robert Lake Ed.D. >> *Associate Professor >> Social Foundations of Education >> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading >> Georgia Southern University >> P. O. Box 8144 >> Phone: (912) 478-0355 >> Fax: (912) 478-5382 >> Statesboro, GA 30460 >> >> /Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and education is its >> midwife./ >> /-/John Dewey. >> >> > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> > > > ______________________________**____________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca