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Andy, Have you ever smiled at a baby and had them smile back? There is nothing metaphysical about that :-). Did you watch the TED talk? RL On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote: > On 17 March 2013 12:15, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > > > Robert, if I were to suggest that "mirror neurons" are a metaphyical > > belief which have no more basis in existence than phlogiston or ether, > > would that actually change anything? Have you ever been misled by the > > mistaken observation of "mirror neuron" activity, or has observation of a > > mirror neuron ever explained some otherwise inexplicable event? So far > as I > > know, leaving aside surgical intervention, neurons only react to other > > neurons by direct electrochemical interaction. > > Andy > > > > > There's theoretical room for the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum, e.g. > optics. I think Robert is referring to the whites of the eyes phenomena > observed in monkey(?) brain scans. > > In this sense its ontological status is that one can draw a dotted line > around a scan image etc and name it. > > As far as the autism line of reasoning goes, I guess its akin to the > phenomena of blindness in children who have (unfortunately) have had a > patch over their eye during particular neurological developments whereby > they are later unable to see out of what looks like a perfectly functioning > eye. > > I will leave it to Robert to speculate on the social genesis of its > systemic relevance... > > Best, > Huw > > > > > Robert Lake wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> I am a relative newcomer to CHAT research, so this (mostly rhetorical) > >> question is probably > >> old hat to many of you. It concerns Holodynski's article as it may or > may > >> not relate to the notion of mirror neurons as described by Ramachandran. > >> > >> http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_**ramachandran_the_neurons_that_** > >> shaped_civilization.html< > http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html > > > >> > >> > >> If I understand this correctly, in Holodynski's view, a caregiver > mirrors > >> back to the child, his or her own emotions through gesture and facial > >> expressions. What if the child's emotions/expressions fall into the > range > >> of autism spectrum disorders? Can ZPD's be created that in turn help > create > >> and develop "empathy" neurons in us regardless of our age level? Are > there > >> some cultures that are more emotionally and perhaps empathically > evolved? > >> > >> Thank-you MCA team and Professor Holodynski for this article. I think > it > >> represents the a key component for the future of cultural/historical > >> research. > >> > >> Fascinated and curious, > >> Robert Lake > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net > <mailto: > >> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote: > >> > >> The article for discussion is now available at: > >> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/**Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.**pdf< > http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.pdf> > >> > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> mike cole wrote: > >> > >> We will make available Manfred Holodynski's article - The > >> Internalization > >> Theory of Emotions: A Cultural Historical Approach to the > >> Development of Emotions - available > >> for discussion as soon as possible. Then let the discussion > begin! > >> > >> mike > >> ______________________________**____________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------ > >> **------------ > >> *Andy Blunden* > >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ < > http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/ > >> **> > >> > >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > >> http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden< > http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> > >> > >> ______________________________**____________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> > >> > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Robert Lake Ed.D. > >> *Associate Professor > >> Social Foundations of Education > >> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading > >> Georgia Southern University > >> P. 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