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Hi Andy - and here I was wondering why operation/action/activity were not prominent in Manfred's article. Where does he lay out the views in this note? Am I reading too superficially as usual? Seems important for me to get clear about! Mike On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote: > Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the window, > you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the meaning of the > action lies in the activity of which it is a part, which is not immediately > given. Manfred does not refer this to "intention" or "belief". Manfred is > quite specific that the signalising and self-perception of an action in > relation to an activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that > activity - is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state > and intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not > fundamental. > > Andy > > Martin Packer wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yes, I'm not clear how exactly Manfred is proposing that emotions >> regulate an activity system. I can see that they can regulate an activity >> in the everyday sense. >> >> Martin >> >> On Mar 21, 2013, at 2:45 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> My reading is very similar to yours, Martin. I wonder though, in both >>> your >>> quotation from Manfred and elsewhere in the article about how >>> consistently >>> the word, activity, is used. In your quoted example, is activity the word >>> of choice, or action? This question relates to Andy's earlier invocation >>> of >>> operation/action/ activity. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Sunday, March 17, 2013, Martin Packer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Perhaps it's helpful to add that emotions are classic System X >>>> processes, >>>> especially at the start of ontogenesis. As Holodynski says, "emotions >>>> have >>>> an activity regulating function." What he then offers, on my reading, >>>> is a >>>> detailed account of how over the course of ontogenesis System C comes to >>>> play a role in emotionality. Key to this at the start of ontogenesis is >>>> that the dependence of an infant on adult caregivers means that the link >>>> between need and satisfaction must pass through the adult. The adults' >>>> interpretations of the infant's emotion signals thus mediate the >>>> outcome. >>>> This provides the (social) condition for (individual) development. >>>> >>>> At the other end of the ontogenetic trajectory - well, we had a >>>> discussion >>>> recently about LSV's analysis of the way a cultural artifact -- a play. >>>> for >>>> example - can educate the emotions. >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <javascript:;> >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**____________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> >> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden> > > ______________________________**____________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca