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Carol Thanks for this. I fully support the human *heart* connection as fundamental to shaping *attitudes* shared understandings and VALUES, and believe you are living within a UNIQUE cultural and historical moment that makes your answer both deeply personal and passionately articulated. Returning to the key concept of *sense* as expression of meaning, as perception and action MOVING THROUGH AFFECT I endorse the centrality of composing *sense* as heart-felt. My question was meant to underline how far education may be drifting from THIS vision and insight. I was hoping to generate further reflection that we are each in the other. Larry On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>wrote: > Thank-you Carol, > Hear, Hear! > Do go on! > Robert > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Huw > > Is the machine able to discern what the students are feeling about their > > grade - teachers do this and help set realistic goals to motivate her > > class. Sh may also be aware of personal problems that are interfering > with > > work. > > > > The most important role of the teacher is to communicate attitudes, > values, > > and beliefs by embodying them. The Me-Me generation is already > handicapped > > by the loss of authentic social contacts. Then we let them be taught by > > machines -- what happens to relationships as they grow up? > > > > This is terribly important, but equally, the theory of knowledge as being > > linearly constructed - this is the sanitized more modern version of > > programmed instruction. Good teachers may be moving in a particular > > direction, but they construct knowledge *across *domains. In troubled > > schools with demoralized staff using machines might be seen as a helpful > > adjunct (they might motivate students for a while), but values and > beliefs > > are once put on one side. > > > > Sorry to go on about this. > > Carol > > > > On 30 July 2013 19:46, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > " One definite perk for instuctors: the software does most of the > grading > > > for them." > > > > > > Looks like the machine has been there a long time, Carol. > > > > > > Huw > > > > > > On 30 July 2013 17:37, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > We already have young people who only know how to talk to people over > > > their > > > > social media and not those next to them. Now we don't have the > teachers > > > > mediating ethics and values in their relationships with their > learners. > > > > Perhaps the new generation will only be able to mediate their > > > relationships > > > > of every kind through machines - are those relationships with people > > > going > > > > to survive this assault. > > > > > > > > (The epistemology of learning as linear is a huge problem, but its > > > effects > > > > on relationships that are more dangerous.) > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > On 30 July 2013 15:26, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > This just came out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-big-data-taking-teachers-out-lecturing-business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wagner > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:30 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > And lots of people marvel at the progress, Helena. > > > > > > bait and switch.... and pay taxes like Apple! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Helena Worthen < > > > > > helenaworthen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello -- the letter from Meister is really worth reading. It > > > explains > > > > > why > > > > > >> MOOCs need the CSU system (and other public higher education > > > > > connections) > > > > > >> more than CSU needs MOOCs. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Although short-term, the linkup with Coursera to offer MOOCs in > > > > various > > > > > >> disciplines appears to solve the immediate problem of how to > > expand > > > > > access > > > > > >> to already crowded, booked-up, high-tuition face to face > > classrooms, > > > > it > > > > > >> solves a different problem for Coursera and other big MOOC > > > companies. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> That problem is, long-term ‹ and this is an important problem, > > since > > > > > >> Coursera, like the other MOOC companies, is a private company, > > like > > > > > >> Facebook, LinkedIn, Yahoo, Amazon, etc. -- how to make money. > > Right > > > > now > > > > > >> MOOCs are free, or at least some are free. How can they figure > out > > > how > > > > > >> much to charge? How much are they "worth" --? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The simplest way to figure that out would be to hook up with a > > > state > > > > > >> university and say, "Our class is worth three credits at San > Jose > > > > State, > > > > > >> and tuition at San Jose State for three credits is $2,400, so > our > > > > class > > > > > >> should cost $2,400." But it can get much, much more > fine-grained > > > > than > > > > > >> that, since all kinds of personal information gets collected > when > > > > > someone > > > > > >> enrolls in a class. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bottom line- without the hookup to established institutions, all > > the > > > > > MOOCs > > > > > >> offer is celebrity teachers doing what are essentially TV shows > or > > > > > >> audiotape classes (you may have noticed that the price on Great > > > > > >> Teacher-type audio tapes have crashed from $299 to less than > $100 > > > > > >> recently). So no matter how celebrated a professor is, it's the > > > hookup > > > > > to > > > > > >> an institution that makes it possible to establish market value. > > And > > > > > make > > > > > >> huge money in the long run. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Which is basically gutting the public education system and > > > > transferring > > > > > >> its authority to exchange credits for tuition to a private > > company. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Another argument for free public higher education -- the only > way > > > that > > > > > >> public education can compete against a for-profit system. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Helena > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 5/11/13 1:30 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >The following letter from the UC faculty association president > > > seems > > > > > worth > > > > > >> >distributing. Fraught futures. > > > > > >> >mike > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >CUCFA President Meister's Open Letter to Coursera Founder > Daphne > > > > Koller > > > > > >> > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >...... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.ph< > > > > > http://cucfa.org/news/2013_may10.php> > > > > > >> >__________________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > xmca mailing list > > > > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin) > > > > Developmental psycholinguist > > > > Academic, Researcher, and Editor *EditLab.net* > > > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin) > > Developmental psycholinguist > > Academic, Researcher, and Editor *EditLab.net* > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa > > > > > > > -- > *Robert Lake Ed.D. > *Associate Professor > Social Foundations of Education > Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading > Georgia Southern University > P. O. Box 8144 > Phone: (912) 478-0355 > Fax: (912) 478-5382 > Statesboro, GA 30460 > > *Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and education is its > midwife.* > *-*John Dewey. > >