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I could offer "nostalgia for what has not yet been" as a translation for "a saudade do que ainda nao~"; but that does not seem to ring the same. Vocal sounds do participate in the being of words, _pace_ the death wishes of analytical philosopers who long for a mastery of meaning as mere content of the propositional residues, or shadows, of speaking / writing / etc.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Joseph Gilbert wrote:
Words are vocal sounds. Vocal sounds are meaningful. Joseph Gilbert On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Tony Whitson wrote:Peirce explicitly contended that the meaning of any sign (including words, thoughts, arguments, feelings, or whatever), _qua_ signs, lies in the virtuality of potential future interpretations (just by virtue of the fundamental nature of what it is to be a sign, i.e., in the activity of sign-relations).Also, notice that I'm using "meaning" as something that we -- and our words, thoughts, etc. -- DO, not something they contain, convey, etc. I recently noticed similar usage in the title of Jay's MCA review of Sfard's book, which speaks of "Meaning Mathematically," not "mathematical meaning." The latter locution could mean the same as Jay's, but it also would allow the more familiar reading of "meaning" as a noun. If we need to begin meaning differently than how we might be heard to mean in positivist discourse, I think we need to begin choosing speaking that resists assimilation to that discourse.On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, mike cole wrote:The poem is neat and your explication brings to mind a recurrent thoughtwhen I encounter the core idea of "the thought is completed in the word." I (think I) know what LSV and Mandelshtam are saying, but I always have this thought that the thought is not yet completed, not in so far as it is taken up, perhaps transformed, and comes back again at a later time, in some new,albeit related, form, to begin that side of the cycle over again. mike On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:I clipped the wrong line from Martin's post in that last message. I meantthe Dickinson verse in reponse to the line that now appears below from Martin.In Dickinson's verse, what's not timeless is not merely the meaning that a word does as a lexical unit in a language (i.e., in the philological sense), but even in a specific utterance the word spoken continues meaning, as itcontinues living, non-timelessly. On Sun, 1 May 2011, Tony Whitson wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2011, Martin Packer wrote:For LSV word-meaning is not timeless. It changes over time; he didn'tstudy philology for nothing! A word is deadWhen it is said Some say. I say it just Begins to live That day. --Emily DickinsonI find it helpful to think of meaning as something that words do -- notsomething they contain, convey, etc.Tony Whitson UD School of Education NEWARK DE 19716 twhitson@udel.edu _______________________________ "those who fail to reread are obliged to read the same story everywhere" -- Roland Barthes, S/Z (1970) __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca__________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmcaTony Whitson UD School of Education NEWARK DE 19716 twhitson@udel.edu _______________________________ "those who fail to reread are obliged to read the same story everywhere" -- Roland Barthes, S/Z (1970) __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca__________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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