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On 7 June 2011 16:27, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote: > Words are vocal sounds. Vocal sounds are meaningful. > I think you have an elision here, Joseph. If you take "are" as the plural of "is", you're effectively saying: "A word is a sound, sound is meaningful." Hence you appear to be conflating the relation of equivalence with aggregation: (Spoken) Words are (composed of) vocal sounds. Just as you might say "Pyramids are (composed of) stone" rather than "Pyramids are buildings". Huw > > Joseph Gilbert > > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Tony Whitson wrote: > > Peirce explicitly contended that the meaning of any sign (including words, >> thoughts, arguments, feelings, or whatever), _qua_ signs, lies in the >> virtuality of potential future interpretations (just by virtue of the >> fundamental nature of what it is to be a sign, i.e., in the activity of >> sign-relations). >> >> Also, notice that I'm using "meaning" as something that we -- and our >> words, thoughts, etc. -- DO, not something they contain, convey, etc. I >> recently noticed similar usage in the title of Jay's MCA review of Sfard's >> book, which speaks of "Meaning Mathematically," not "mathematical meaning." >> The latter locution could mean the same as Jay's, but it also would allow >> the more familiar reading of "meaning" as a noun. If we need to begin >> meaning differently than how we might be heard to mean in positivist >> discourse, I think we need to begin choosing speaking that resists >> assimilation to that discourse. >> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, mike cole wrote: >> >> The poem is neat and your explication brings to mind a recurrent thought >>> when I encounter the core idea of "the thought is completed in the word." >>> I >>> (think I) know what LSV and Mandelshtam are saying, but I always have >>> this >>> thought that the thought is not yet completed, not in so far as it is >>> taken >>> up, perhaps transformed, and comes back again at a later time, in some >>> new, >>> albeit related, form, to begin that side of the cycle over again. >>> mike >>> >>> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I clipped the wrong line from Martin's post in that last message. I >>>> meant >>>> the Dickinson verse in reponse to the line that now appears below from >>>> Martin. >>>> >>>> In Dickinson's verse, what's not timeless is not merely the meaning that >>>> a >>>> word does as a lexical unit in a language (i.e., in the philological >>>> sense), >>>> but even in a specific utterance the word spoken continues meaning, as >>>> it >>>> continues living, non-timelessly. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 1 May 2011, Tony Whitson wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011, Martin Packer wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> For LSV word-meaning is not timeless. It changes over time; he didn't >>>> >>>>> >>>>> study philology for nothing! >>>> >>>> >>>> A word is dead >>>> >>>>> When it is said >>>>> Some say. >>>>> I say it just >>>>> Begins to live >>>>> That day. >>>>> >>>>> --Emily Dickinson >>>>> >>>>> I find it helpful to think of meaning as something that words do -- not >>>>> something they contain, convey, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tony Whitson >>>> UD School of Education >>>> NEWARK DE 19716 >>>> >>>> twhitson@udel.edu >>>> _______________________________ >>>> >>>> "those who fail to reread >>>> are obliged to read the same story everywhere" >>>> -- Roland Barthes, S/Z (1970) >>>> __________________________________________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> >> Tony Whitson >> UD School of Education >> NEWARK DE 19716 >> >> twhitson@udel.edu >> _______________________________ >> >> "those who fail to reread >> are obliged to read the same story everywhere" >> -- Roland Barthes, S/Z (1970) >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca