Re: [xmca] Al Andalus as a model for *{ }*

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Wow! Talk about environment as entanglements! So Tim I is of mycological
decent.
good to be in touch. Thanks Alan and thanks to all those who put out the
fungi that made the connection.
mike

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Alan Rayner (Plus)
<alan@admrayner.plus.com>wrote:

> **
> Dear Mike and All,
>
> Good to see this emergent interest in issues relating to my recent paper in
> IPBS - 'Space Cannot Be Cut - Why self-identity naturally includes
> neighbourhood'.
>
> I'm attaching a 'brief biography' from which you and others can find more
> of my work, if you wish, including the series of articles published at
> www.bestthinking.com.
>
> I do indeed know Tim Ingold - his father was a famous elder statesman of
> mycology - and I first met Tim in 1964 on a fungus foray (he beat me at
> table tennis!). Tim is, like many, 'on the brink' of 'natural
> inclusionality'.
>
> I might just add that what seems to prevent many from crossing the
> threshold into 'natural inclusionality' is confusion with and adherence to
> Holism, which, to my mind, promotes some natural inclusional principles and
> values but uses anti-inclusional logic: upshot - living contradiction and
> tendency for insensitivity to individual sensitivity/needfulness/uniqueness.
> The fluid logical basis for NI (and much indigenous wisdom) is fundamentally
> different from the defintive logic of Holism.
>
> Warmest
>
> Alan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> *Cc:* alan@admrayner.plus.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [xmca] Al Andalus as a model for *{ }*
>
> As a serendipitous footnote. I was looking for a book on my shelves and
> came across
> Manicus a history and philosophy of the social sciences. Where had I seen
> this before?
>
> xmca I thought.
>
> I googled Manicus on lchc and sure enough, came up with the following
> fragment from an earlier discussion:
>
> An interesting tip from a colleague.
> mike
> -------------------
>
> "...a kind of historically oriented unified social science with overlapping,
> non-discrete, connected concerns."
>
> In: Peter T. Manicas, "A", page 214.
>
>
> Spelling that out a little more vis a vis inter-tradition-mashups it comes
> in a chapter on the americanization of social sciences and the way in which
> its founders selectively appropriated what they had learned.
>
>
> "They were German.... in thinking of *Geisteswissenschaft *as a kind of
> historically oriented unified social science with overlapping, non-discrete,
> connected concerns.:
>
>
> A rhyzhome, a fungle entanglement....??
>
> Certainly descriptive of the situation that we find ourselves in, although
> I believe we are witnessing a variety of reinventions of the humane sciences
> of the 19th century.
>
> mike
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Both Larry and Christine.
>>
>> I have continued thinking about ways to make clearer affinities across
>> traditions/
>> discourse communities. I have thought of two ideas with respect to the
>> recent interchanges.
>>
>> 1. Do you think that it is possible to write up a journal-length paper
>> that summarizes
>> your takes on the synergisms among traditions that you see? Quite apart
>> from
>> interest in MCA, this sort of topic should fit with the new Valsiner
>> journal on integrative psychological and behavioral sciences. Two potential
>> places to get it out.
>>
>> and/or
>>
>> 2. Might it be possible to put together a "distributed, virtual course
>> syllabus" of the sort that we did a few years ago on Vygotsky & Co. on xmca?
>>
>> Either could be very helpful.
>>
>> And while you are at it, what does it take to get serious discussion going
>> with the
>> social representation folks out there in xmca-land? (I am reminded because
>> I am
>> using some materials by Sandra Jovchelovich in my current grad seminar)?
>>
>> Thanks for passing along Rene's intro, Larry. The integration of art into
>> our conversations in recent years, along with performance and play,
>> certainly are
>> important and Rene's thoughts are always interesting to read.
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, christine schweighart <
>> schweighartgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mike,
>>> I am just encountering Borgerson's 'witnessing' and 'irreplacibility etc
>>> - and I am finding that F. Gonzalez Rey's Chapter helps untangle some
>>> sticking points  sympathetic to Borgerson who does still use
>>>  'inter-subjective' and some key terms in a way that coud be brought out
>>> differently.
>>>
>>> And yes - fungal mycelium - as Alan has researched them- is much more
>>> relational than a previous  rhizome metaphor.  Alan brings out  a different
>>> ontology,  and not only metaphoric  contrasts in his work, he does extend
>>> implications from his empirical scientific and uses metaphor to convey his
>>> thinking in his work and art too.
>>> Yes Ingold already thought so - thanks for that observation.  Curiously
>>> he is aware of Alan's work too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S3GakE5OT-kC&lpg=PA426&ots=ViCvqWkJ5A&dq=ingold%20rhizome&pg=PA426#v=onepage&q=ingold%20rhizome&f=false
>>>
>>>
>>> Christine.
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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