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On 27 October 2011 22:59, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote: > I was thinking something more like "reality envelopes us." But this is just > as troubling b.c. although it corrects some of the distastefulness of the > metaphor of "penetration", it remains problematic for other reasons, most > notably a particularly troubling dualism. An "envelope" of reality suggests > that somewhere there is something outside of the envelope of reality. Is > there really something else? non-reality. Don't think so. > > It's all just reality. Everywhere you go. > > The parts of reality used to represent other parts are not necessarily effective. > Sorry that I don't have anything more productive to offer. > > Best of luck as you continue to think through this Huw. > -greg > Thanks, Greg. I think I'm still on familiar ground here. Huw > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu > >wrote: > > > Maybe reality penetrates us :-) > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > On 27 October 2011 20:56, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 October 2011 20:47, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Huw, > > > >> Is reality really something to be "penetrated." > > > >> -greg > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you wish to get from one side of a city to another, there are > finite > > > > ways of doing so using conventional transport. If you wish to > > articulate > > > > that intention in terms of a particular route, you will have to > > mentally > > > > penetrate the fog of obstacles from A to B prior to an accurate > > > > articulation. Does 'penetrating to reality' sound better? Hopefully > > the > > > > gist is clear. > > > > > > > > > > > ... but that also the intention successfully acted upon is a change and > > > thereby a form of penetrating reality. > > > > > > Linking with ideas around transitional phenomena (and the like). > > > > > > How does that sit, Greg? > > > > > > Huw > > > > > > > > > > Huw > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Huw Lloyd < > > huw.softdesigns@gmail.com > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On 27 October 2011 19:17, Linda Polin <linda.polin@pepperdine.edu > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Programming is part of a domain of articulated intentionality, > > of > > > >> > > > penetrating reality. The issue with simplified environments > is > > > the > > > >> > > minimal > > > >> > > > penetration. One is limited to a scope that was designed for. > > > The > > > >> > > spirit > > > >> > > > of programming goes beyond this to a deeper appreciation of > > > >> processes. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I was trying to indicate the openness and range of the possible > in > > > >> > > Minecraft, which doesn't sacrifice the playfulness that I find > > > lacking > > > >> in > > > >> > > straight up programming except for people who enjoy debugging. I > > do > > > >> find > > > >> > it > > > >> > > hard to grok programming as uniquely "penetrating reality," > > though. > > > >> Could > > > >> > > you explain that? Perhaps I need "articulated intentionality" > > > unpacked > > > >> as > > > >> > > well since I see most goal driven construction efforts, e.g., to > > > >> create a > > > >> > > machine in Minecraft, as articulated and intentional. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I can't say I recall writing 'uniquely', Linda. > > > >> > > > > >> > Huw > > > >> > __________________________________________ > > > >> > _____ > > > >> > xmca mailing list > > > >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D. > > > >> Sanford I. 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